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Special shout out to Anna Nimous for inspiring this post with a blunt comment & ildolceamore for having the foresight to request a proper forum discussion. Without further ado, here you go folks!
SEATTLE: Title got your attention huh? Well, this topic usually does. Depending on where you stand geographically, religiously or just morally, abortion is an issue where a lot of staunch opinions arise. Me? I’m a non-practicing Catholic which one would think makes me Pro-Life. However, my somewhat liberal, Blue State experiences living in New York have caused me to be Pro-Choice. Who am I to tell a woman who just got raped or a 13 year old girl in a horrible economic state she has to have the baby? Especially when I’m not the father. Just one of those things the government shouldn’t get involved in. Unlike Health Care. Yeah I said it. But that’s for another day. What about you Slim? Which side of that yellow Planned Parenthood line do you stand on?
SLIM: The PCness in me wants to say that I straddle the line, but straddling is what often lands people at Planned Parenthood in the first place. Therefore, I’m just gonna take a few steps back on the Pro-Life side so I can get a running start. **Approaches line with Olympic speed, takes off with precision, and sets new long jump record!** I’m all about the Pro-Choice. I 150% support Planned Parenthood. Birth control, whether it be the pill or any of those insertable or injectable methods, is fantastic. Condoms, though required to protect against a variety of diseases and sporadic seed production, just don’t make me feel good about myself…or is it that they just don’t feel good? Ehh. Whatever. Abortion? I don’t think a woman should be getting 2 a year, but she should definitely have the right to not bring into the world what she doesn’t think she’s ready for.
SW: Word. I’ve been there before. Unfortunately. And although it still weighs on my conscience, I knew it needed to be done. I’m just happy the young lady talked to me about it. We came to a decision together. Some women would just go to the clinic themselves and ask for the money afterwards. Or it would be a couple months post the deadline and they’d have a little pouch. All the while claiming that a man has no right to be in this decision because it’s their body.
SJ: Way to set me up to be torn to shreds by feminists across the world—but I’ll take this alley-oop. One’s body is exactly that. However, I think we all know mothers/women that didn’t even give the man a chance to voice his opinion before she made a decision. After all, it was his buffalo soldiers that captured the egg and planted the flag. If I accidentally blast off in there via a defective lambskin or because I didn’t have the inner-strength to get out of there in time, I can accept the mistake I made. I also don’t think every mistake should automatically be carried full-term just because the EPT came back positive.
SW: I’ll only point you in a direction I’d be willing to follow fam. With that said, I agree with you. Yes a woman’s body is her own domain, but what’s living inside of it is partly mine. Roughly half actually. In turn, I get half the say. I know women who would ask that I pay for half, if not more, of the expenses that would arise if we have this child, so why can I not get any say in the beginning? Quite selfish I say. Plus, it may not always be the decision you think. The man in question may actually want to keep the child. You go and get an abortion thinking that’s it’s the best for the two of you and he’s scouring the “Babies ‘R’ Us” site for essentials. You have to talk to the man about those things. You obviously know how to if you ended up in bed together. No offense to mimes.
SJ: Agreed, good friend. Agreed. Then again, we are opinionated and borderline e-heathens nowadays. So maybe somehow there’s a very small chance that we’re being unreasonable. So let’s see what the people have to say on the issue of abortion, birth control, etc.? What say you all? You can say whatever you like….yeahhh. *In T.I. voice*
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I’m Pro Choice. That being said I don’t abortion would be the choice I’d ever make for myself. A drunken man gave me very great advice once… he said never have sex with anyone you can’t see being the mother/father of your children. After hearing that I never looked at men and sexual relations the same way. I don’t want to have a kid right now, but more importantly I don’t want those not currently wanted children to have an absent/wack/flaky/BS dad.
In terms of men and their role in “the decision”, I think men should have voice in the discussion on whether or not to have a child, but the decision is and should ultimately be up to the woman. Yeah, the microscopic ball of chromosomes growing inside of me are 1/2 yours, but the sperm that got loose was yours too and clearly you weren’t too possessive about them.
Past the whole “when does life begin” issue, having a baby is a huge undertaking. The woman has ALL the risk in the situation. Do you know what pregnancy does to a woman’s body?!?! I’m not just talking stretch marks, weight gain and overgrown tatas. I’m talking real health risks… gestational diabetes, pre-eclampsia, etopic pregnancy, anemia, hemorrhaging, post-partum depression, psychosis, torn abdominal muscles, embolism… These aren’t rare complications. Even if you have “normal” pregnancy the expected stuff sucks too… hair loss, hemmorhoids, high blood pressure, acne, swelling joints, back strain, incontinence, yeast infections… Something like 40% of all women have complications during pregnancy.
All that being said, while I can appreciate that a man might feel some kinda way about someone aborting his child without his consent or knowledge… but at a certain point my health and wellbeing trumps your feelings.
On the flip side you might not be ready to be a dad but you agreed to take that risk when you decided to have sex. Condoms, the pill, the patch, the ring, the shot… none of those are 100% effective.
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Joey likes when Slim & Seattle tag team... the issue Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 7:12 am
COOOOOOO-SIIIGGGGNNNNN every word, Ms. Cherry. I couldn’t have put it any better. Especially the part about what happens to a woman’s body (not TMI at ALL!!!) and how I’m Pro-Choice, but would not make that choice for myself.
But allow me to play the other side below.
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N.I.A. naturally Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 7:21 am
i agree 100%….be back later to make my own comment.
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ASmith Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I’m not even really sure I need to say a dang thing.
Ms. Cherry FTW.
I co-sign all up and through here. I’d initial line by line if this were a contract.
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Cheekie Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:38 am
“On the flip side you might not be ready to be a dad but you agreed to take that risk when you decided to have sex. Condoms, the pill, the patch, the ring, the shot… none of those are 100% effective.”
This needs to be etch-a-sketched into ninja’s cerebellums, ASAP.
Also, the “other head” should take note as well…though, I know it’s harder for that one to listen.
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CHeeKZ thinks Cheekie's neck looks good in that avatar Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
But why are we making people father’s that don’t want to be.
this ‘god’ made the barrier to become a father too low. Its too big of a responsibility to place on some people who just want to feel good for a hour or so. We are only hurting ourselves with these Bebe kids. Luckily, science came through and gave us another option. Let’s use it and kill these babies before irresponsibility people turn them into Soulija Boy.
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Cheekie Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Thanks, e-boo for the neck props.
“But why are we making people father’s that don’t want to be.”
Well, technically, we can’t make anyone be or do anything, so even thinking that you can is a losing game. Whether you want to or are ready for it or not, you are taking said risk by having sex. Word to the birds and the bees. I don’t necessarily think that if you’re ready for sex, you’re ready for rugrats, but I think you are ready for the risk at least.
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Okay, I do think abortion should be an option so people won’t be sticking hangers and tubes up their vaginas like in the old days pre-Rowe v Wade…
On the other hand, I think abortion should defintely be regulated some kinda way so people can’t just use it as birth control. I grew weary in college of seeing my friends have 2,3, and 4 abortions because they kept getting pregnant trying to keep a man, then had an abortion when he said he wasn’t gonna have nothing to do with it… over and over again expecting a different result. Damn that.
And damn this idea that a baby isn’t a human life until it starts to look like one. You don’t show someone your newly planted garden and say “Look at my seeds.” You say, “Look at my cucumbers and potatoes and shit.” Because once the seed is in the ground, it’s no longer a seed – it’s a plant – even if it hasn’t sprouted up yet. So if you don’t want plants, keep your seeds in your pants.
I think states should require women to get counseling or have to wait 24 hours before entering a clinic for the first time to have the abortion so they don’t just do it on a whim. People (esp kids) should be fully educated about their options and their consequences before making such a huge decision of taking a life. That’s right; I said it.
And I had these same opinions back when I wasn’t a card-carrying C-word. It’s because I can’t imagine my life without my nieces and nephews and I always think about how both my sisters had the choice to give them up (and almost did). Damn that.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Yeah, me and Seattle create an Eiffel Tower with blog topics…lol.
But do you really know folks that had 2,3,4,5,6 abortions?
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I do. There are often days when I thank God that the vast majority of my friends are responsible women. I’ve personally never had to go hand hold at Planned Parenthood. I have however calmed some women down the morning after the condom broke and told them how to execute Plan B, so we’ve never made it that far.
Back to the reckless ppl… I have a friend who has had like 5 abortions. When I found out just how many she’s had I was completely speechless. In my opinion she’s reckless. Her reasoning is she doesn’t want kids… EVER. My response is that she needs to be extra sure to find a birth control method that works. I know some people are super fertile but like she and her last boyfriend were together for 2 years and I think in that time she had at least 2 abortions… that ish is NOT COOL.
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Joey likes it when Slim & Seattle tag team... the issue Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
btw… yes, i know of a few chicks who had multiple shmashmortions… My ex-best friend (of 15 years) and I are no longer best friends because after her 3rd (she’s had 4), I couldn’t take it anymore… They were all with the same dude too!! I just felt like I was losing my soul just for associating myself with someone like that. I dunno. I couldn’t “support” her as a friend when I completely disagreed with so many of her actions, especially the baby killing. smh.
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“he said never have sex with anyone you can’t see being the mother/father of your children”
I agree with Ms. Cherry in this sentiment.
I am Pro Choice with stipulations. And personally, I am against it. I would never abort. I feel like if you are grown enough to be having sex, you are grown enough to face the consequences. Additionally, I feel like if God blessed me with a child, He is not gonna leave me alone in raising it.
I have had a couple of friends get abortions or consider it, and from knowing their personal situations, the pregnancy could have been prevented. One of my girls got pregnant ON PURPOSE but once her and the guy fell by the wayside, she wanted to get rid of her seed. (thankfully, she kept him though.) I just don’t understand. As a teenager, under 18, I’m more sympathetic to the situation though.
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I am Pro-Life but I feel that people need to take responsibility for their actions. By using condoms and birth control. Especially if you have every intention of not having a child. Now people I know who purposely planned a pregnancy, I have no sympathy in that situation whether the man stayed or left. It was your decision so you need to live with it.
I also believe people need to do their research especially women on birth control. My ex got pregnant on birth control. When she later researched it she found out the BC she was on had the highest pregnancy rate of any BC on the market. Plus she did not take it everyday at the same time each day.
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I think being pro-life is fiscally irresponsible. It amazes me how the same people that are pro-life are anti-taxes and government aid, how do they think all these babies they want so badly to be born will be supported?
If we lived in a Utopian world where everyone was taken care of, I would be pro-life. But we don’t. And there are already enough kids in the world whose parents don’t care about them.
I am not saying everyone should run out and get abortions if they don’t feel ready to have a child. But at the same time the 15 yr old who is on welfare and still receiving Medicaid should not be forced to have a child that we as wonderful tax paying citizens would then pay for as well.
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Still Water Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 9:54 am
“I think being pro-life is fiscally irresponsible. It amazes me how the same people that are pro-life are anti-taxes and government aid, how do they think all these babies they want so badly to be born will be supported?”
I also love how those same people may be anti-abortion because its “murder” but they support the death penalty and hunting…
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RightCoastLexSteele, The 2nd Coming of Bigg $exxxy Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 9:57 am
“I think being pro-life is fiscally irresponsible. It amazes me how the same people that are pro-life are anti-taxes and government aid, how do they think all these babies they want so badly to be born will be supported?”
Uh…Individual responsibility my friend. Take a step back for a second…pro-life, no taxes, no govt. aid….they basically want the govt out their life and out of their pockets. By me saying I support the rights of a fetus to not be Hoovered out of someone’s snatch, is not me saying that I want to support YOUR kid w/ my tax money. The ideal would be for people to be responsible to take every pre-caution not to have a child until they are ready, and if it so happens that it happens before they are ready, (wo)man up and handle YOUR responsibility. I agree, a 15 yr old should not be forced to have a child. But then again, no one forced them to have sex either (of course there are exceptions). That’s what grinds my axe w/ these far left wing nut jobs…”How are we gonna support x,y,z?” We? I ain’t French homie.
At face value, I have no problem the actual procedure of abortion. As Spokane Washington and others have pointed out there are certain circumstances and complications surrounding pregnancy that might necessitate the procedure. But using it as a giant eraser and fall back plan for irresponsible behavior is unacceptable and in most cases that’s what it amounts to. Now before I get too far, I’m not gonna sit here and act holier than thou, cuz I’ve sat outside Planned Parenthood myself, but since then I’ve developed a SICK pullout game. Top 5, dead or alive, please believe it. (KNOCKING ON WOOD!…hopefully this presswood doesn’t jinx me)
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Mc Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:23 am
You cannot force people to be responsible, so why not allow them the choice whether or not to bring a child into the world?
“Now before I get too far, I’m not gonna sit here and act holier than thou, cuz I’ve sat outside Planned Parenthood myself”
If you’ve been in this situation how do you justify preaching “responsibility”. responsibility is just as effective as abstinence.
“That’s what grinds my axe w/ these far left wing nut jobs…”How are we gonna support x,y,z?” We? I ain’t French homie”
Do you like having your roads paved? Having the snow shoveled? having police officers? public schools? community parks? “we” all have a responsibility to support the luxury that we are entitled to here in the US. That me, myself, and I mentality is futile in this country, the only way to truly believe this is to be ignorant.
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RightCoastLexSteele, The 2nd Coming of Bigg $exxxy Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:47 am
“Do you like having your roads paved? Having the snow shoveled? having police officers? public schools? community parks? “we” all have a responsibility to support the luxury that we are entitled to here in the US. That me, myself, and I mentality is futile in this country, the only way to truly believe this is to be ignorant.”
There’s a difference btw the basic and fundamental principles of goverment, and spotting people money for PA and all that other jazz. I love parks, but I don’t want an increase in my property taxes in Upstate NY to fund a big ass water fountain in a park in BK. I have no problem funding common luxuries. What I do have a problem with is the folks that don’t chip in but enjoy the same luxuries. We share the roads, cops, parks and schools (went to private school myself, and would probably never send my kids to a public joint). What we don’t share is the love child(ren) you’ve produced because you don’t like rubbers.
Fyi, I was sittin outside because the decision was out of my hands. I was ready to step up to the plate…or should I say, my accountant was ready to cut the checks. “Write the check before the baby comes/who the f*ck cares?”
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
First off no one has a pull out game like me….
My kids only get the smoothest of skin to die upon.
2nd… Pullout is great. But people act like Pre-CHeeKZ doesn’t exist. It might not be a problem with every guy, but I know its something I need to weigh in.
That is why I need as many back up options as possible, b/c I love that raw.
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RightCoastLexSteele, The 2nd Coming of Bigg $exxxy Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
LOL! I don’t know how we’re gonna settle this pull out debate, but this sounds like a challenge!
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I’m pro choice but also feel folk shouldn’t use abortion as primary birth control SMH, having multiples etc……..
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“he said never have sex with anyone you can’t see being the mother/father of your children”
The drunken man was a wise man.
I am pro-choice. And, at this stage in my life, I would not have an abortion b/c I am emotionally and financially capable of taking care of a miniN.I.A. However, this was not the case in undergrad or law school, and if I would have gotten pregnant during those times, I
definitelyprobably would have had an abortion.I had a scare in undergrad (false alarm, Thank BBJ!), but when I thought I might be preggers, my first thought was “I’m having an abortion”, and I didn’t think about anything or anyone else. Finances, emotional immaturity, familial embarrassment, a complete inability to care for another human being were the major factors in deciding I would have an abortion. At the same time, I was afraid of the physical and emotional toil an abortion would have on my 20 yr. old self.
Basically, abortion is a decision that should not be taken lightly. And as adults, we really shouldn’t seek to be with anyone whom we couldn’t see as a potential husband/wife or father/mother to your children. Heed the advice of the wise drunken man….
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@SJ
“However, I think we all know mothers/women that didn’t even give the man a chance to voice his opinion before she made a decision. After all, it was his buffalo soldiers that captured the egg and planted the flag.”
My question is this: The last time 3 women that you slept with, had you previously had a conversation with the woman to determine her stance on abortion?
A Hypothetical:
If we meet in a bar and I am a staunch pro-life advocate or just know that I could never make the decision to terminate my own pregnancy, but we totally vibe and end up back at my place, we both are going to have to deal with the consequences and chances are that neither one of us are going to be happy.
My apologies for the run-on sentence, but I do believe that if you are irresponsible with your “buffalo soldiers” you may just find yourself on the losing end of a war. Whether we discuss it or not, the decision is up to me and my mind is already made up. What are you going to do? Kick me?
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:10 am
“Whether we discuss it or not, the decision is up to me and my mind is already made up. What are you going to do? Kick me?”
Show me the closest flight of stairs and we’ll find out.
But seriously, this is a critical part of the issue. My question in response:
Is the one night stand or cut buddy worth the chance of theseed if you’re pro-life?
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RightCoastLexSteele, The 2nd Coming of Bigg $exxxy Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
“Show me the closest flight of stairs and we’ll find out.”
Boiling some guinness for a minute or so is a slighty less violent solution.
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Still Water Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
“Is the one night stand or cut buddy worth the chance of theseed if you’re pro-life?”
I think that that is the question that should be asked before anything pops off.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
unrealistic.
No one is going to say no to pumps just b/c a chick MIGHT be preggers.
That is why there is a lobbying group for men based in Long Island looking to expand the reproduction rights of men: http://www.nationalcenterformen.org/
Warning… that website makes you hate women like the movie Rosewood does for us and white people.
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The comments thus far remind me of the fact that our generation is one of instant results. The generation of delete, backspace, untagging, and friend removal. If we don’t want something in out lives it’s easy to act as if it doesn’t exist, or simply press the ignore button if we don’t want to answer a call from a specific number.
Babies are real.
I think those advocating abortion just because the pregnancy wasn’t planned are forgetting the emotional toll that abortion can have on the woman. Post partum depression is very real in women who have undergone the procedure. And unlike the few days it takes your body to heal physically, the emotional scars can be lasting.
I understand that we (for the most part) are career oriented individuals who want everything done on “our time.” However, sometimes the greatest gift isn’t a part of the plan. And while it is easy to erase a zygote from a womb, it might not be so easy to erase the trauma associated with it…
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am
” understand that we (for the most part) are career oriented individuals who want everything done on “our time.” However, sometimes the greatest gift isn’t a part of the plan.”
Some people are not ready for and should not have children. I think there’s nothing you can do to a child that is worse than not loving it. I agree having an abortion can have lasting scars. I have a good friend who had one recently. The father wasn’t ready for kids and they decided as a couple to terminate the pregnancy. It’s not what she wanted to do and ultimately she ended depressed about it. She really wanted the child BUT, she also didn’t want to bring a child into the world that wouldn’t be loved by it’s father.
I see TERRIBLE parents all the time. Have you ever heard the way some people speak to their kids? Cussing out infants, dragging them around like a burden… the resentment just ooozing out of them and scaring their children for life.
While I think there comes a point where you need to step up and take responsiblity for your actions and not be selfish and self-centered, I think that ultimately you need to know yourself and make the decision that’s right for you.
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callmeSheila Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
I’m sorry to hear about your friend.
The love of the father is important, but as a child of a single mother I can say that I had more than enough love growing up.
I hope I didn’t come off as a staunch pro-life advocate. I’m not. My issue was with the haste and lack of thought exists in many cases of abortion.
(Bad parents exist even in cases of planned pregnancies)
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
No staunchness read, just wanted to speak to the other side.
There are some awesome single moms out there, who do a way better job at loving their children than some couples.
I just wanted to point out that some people are not fit to parent and that abortion sometimes can be the best choice for ones mental/emotional wellbeing.
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ASmith Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:47 am
I think those advocating abortion just because the pregnancy wasn’t planned are forgetting the emotional toll that abortion can have on the woman. Post partum depression is very real in women who have undergone the procedure. And unlike the few days it takes your body to heal physically, the emotional scars can be lasting.
I personally don’t fail to think of the emotional things that happen as a result, but I also don’t think that’s enough of a reason to ban abortion. While abortion is not a choice I feel comfortable saying I’d ever make or seriously consider, some people shouldn’t bring a child in this world for all the emotional issues the child would have to deal with growing up in their home.
Yes, there are other options, like adoption and I encourage people to take those. Still, who are we to tell anyone else what they have to do. Be an adult and make an adult decision. If that means that subsequently you seek emotional/mental help, then go see the Three Ways Post on the importance of such help and read it while you locate the nearest therapist who’s covered by your
less than stellarinsurance.I’d be all about requiring individuals to see a professional after an abortion, for sure.
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callmeSheila Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Seeing a professional BEFORE the abortion is my main concern.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I would like to CO-sign.
There will be an emotional reaction to whatever happens. Adoption (the best episode of 16 &Pregnant), Abortion, Keeping it. Depression isn’t related to just one.
“Babies are real.”"our generation is one of instant results”
Wait a sec. Other society’s have rules on taking in children. Back in Greece, if you didn’t want a child you could leave it out on the road and no one would judge you. If someone could afford it, they picked it up as a slave, if no it died. In the south of Brazil, they use to take the unusually high number of trans-gender babies and leave them on the rocks by the sea. Malnurished dogs have been known to eat their young.
Unwanted babies get killed. Welcome to Darwinism
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Adoption (the best episode of 16 &Pregnant)
CO-SIGN. I’m a big advocate of adoption as an alternative to abortion. While it is a huge physical and emotional sacrifice, it’s such a wonderful way to turn the situation of an unwanted pregnancy around.
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Mc Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:30 am
My little brother is adopted and I plan on adopting but not enough people adopt. Then there are hella kids in foster care and 2 in 10 children in the foster care system actually “succeed” in life. That’s a bleak statistic.
Nevertheless, adoption is a beautiful thing.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Word… one of my best freind is adopted. His whole family (2 boys and 2 girls) taken from their native South American homes to live the good life.
His whole town was full of adopted kids. The Pitts weren’t the first ones to buy up kids from poor countries. Lucky kids.
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Reecie Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
in the discussion we had the other day about seeking therapy–two of my good friends in particular went thru severe post partum regarding abortions. They were both in mid twenties, so it wasn’t the frivilous “im a teenager so I’ma get rid of it” deal. it was serious. one even initially told people she miscarried. I do know a quite a good number of others that have had abortions in HS and college. Actually seeing my peers get pregnant and terminate babies is why I held on to my virginity a bit longer than them. I have never been faced with that decision, but have had some close calls.
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I’m not pro anything. I’m pro lets make it so people dont feel like they NEED an abortion and then re-discuss. I feel strongly that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control and maybe there should be like a lifetime limit of two or something.
Furthermore, I think women should give men some say in whether or not their future baby momma is going to have an abortion or not but that men are not entitled to that. How can you expect a man to be an equal father when he isnt even allowed in the discussion?
But in terms of the national debate, I dont think men should even vote on the issue. They will never have an abortion. It bothers me that ppl are pro life especially those that come from a religious viewpoint. I understand that you dont agree with it but why are you trying to dictate the lives of others? Why should your moral code be the only moral code that ppl subscribe to?
You know how I fight abortion, I make sure any chick that I talk to knows that I got her back if makin a seed. That’s my pro life side.
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PeachyKeen Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:11 am
I’m pro-choice. And yes, I do acknowledge that it’s a thorny issue but a woman who has a baby she is not financially or emotionally ready to have is probably not going to make the best mother. Sure, she could give it up for adoption. But the many of kids who end up in the system are minorities, and the majority of adoptive parents are white…so guess which kids end up never having a real home and therefore get into trouble with the law?
I could support the pro-life movement were it not for the fact that they bury their heads in the sand about sex education. Kids go through puberty earlier than ever (it’s starting at age 9 now), and people get married later than ever (age 30+). You honestly expect a person who’s been horny since age 9 or 10, to wait TWO DECADES to have sex?!?! That’s crazy talk. The abstinence only stuff is wishful thinking. Sure, we can outlaw abortion, but we’re gonna have some coat hanger stuff unless we start educating these kids. How about showing them the STD slideshow in 6th grade instead 10th? How about having free condoms and STD screenings at the school clinic? America needs to get real.
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Uhh, I’m seeing a lot of women make comments alluding to the fact that we men should keep the seeds to ourselves. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard about women asking their SO or, worse yet, their JO to go raw or saying those other three infamous words – “cum inside me”.
In these cases, it’s far from just our fault ladies.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Can’t forget the infamous “pull-in” with the legs or arms or body in general when you try to get out of there in time…
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RightCoastLexSteele, The 2nd Coming of Bigg $exxxy Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:22 am
HALLELUJAH!
Or how about them getting mad when you have to toss them 50 feet across the room when they’re riding you?
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Can we talk about a women’s fear of the Condom? Ever been with a chicka and things are clearly moving along swimmingly. You might have already gotten the tip in.. than you reach of the C cause its the right thing to do. She sees the glimmer of gold from the Trojan (or that slight white on the black cover) and she turns into a Nun.
I want to reach for the C, but girls treat any break in action as an excuse to cancel and that makes you want to just plow through, even though you know better.
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callmeSheila Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:25 am
::no shots::
but uh…
those females might need to get tossed down a flight of stairs.
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Streetz: Your Favorite Porn Stars Favorite Blogger Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Exactly @ SJ!
I’ve
had & experiencedheard about women who’ll 1000% consider going Kojak(c) Cam’ron with a dude. It boggles my mind that some women act as if we are the irresponsible ones. I personally take all precautions. Men you can use spermicidal lubricated condoms, women can use birth control or female condoms. I’m pro-choice because I feel that in the United States, a land built on the fact that everyone has a voice and won’t be persecuted regardless of their religious race creed or character, I have NO right to dictate legally what a woman can/cannot do with her body.I feel no remorse for women who purposefully get preggers and use abortion as a BC tool. This is why in our communities we need sex awareness. There are MANY ways to prevent pregnancy and we need to be responsible enough to use them.
Some of the silliest things ive heard from the youth “you cant get pregnant if your a virgin” “Ill resue a condom if I run out” “Ill poke holes in the condom” wow. Parents need to give that “I aint raisin no babies” speech. I’ve been scared straight by moms for years, lol.
Whether man or woman, you have to take all precautions possible to avoid any issues. Take the responsibility on yourself and be extra safe. Let’s also consider not bringing a child into the world if you didn’t want that and just want them not “because it happened”.
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:53 am
“Men you can use spermicidal lubricated condoms”
Very true BUT do your research before deciding which kind of spermicide to use…
**school bell rings**
Nonoxynol-9, though FDA approved, has been found to irritate the skin of the penis, vulva and vagina. It can cause sores or stripping of the vaginal lining. The likelihood of that happening increases the more the spermicide is used, resulting in an increased risk of contracting some STDs.
Class dismissed!
**bell rings**
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N.I.A. naturally Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I definitely agree with you. There are too many ways to prevent pregnancy, and men and women have to take responsibility.
I’ve also heard similar things from youth, age 12-17, about sex and protection. It’s really a sign of immaturity, and the fact that they are not ready for the responsibility of sex, a possible baby or a possible std.
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RightCoastLexSteele, The 2nd Coming of Bigg $exxxy Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:12 am
@ Streetz
Dude, I’m still scared of my mama.
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Brookland's OWn Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:40 am
“Can’t forget the infamous “pull-in” with the legs or arms or body in general when you try to get out of there in time”
Man, once that happens, its totally a wrap! It’s all going inside you. Full march ahead…
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Streetz: Your Favorite Porn Stars Favorite Blogger Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am
@RCLS
Fellow Cocksman, she gives me the speech STILL lmao
Mama Streetz dont play dat!
@MS Cherry
This is def true. I actually have to finish a study I’m doing with Trojan about that very topic (seriously no joke)
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Still Water Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
I couldn’t get to this at work, but this convo totally reminds me of the greatest FML of all time…
http://www.fmylife.com/intimacy/253938
“Today, I had drunk sex with a girl that I barely know. I didn’t have a condom and was nervous about getting her pregnant, but she assured me that I could pull out. Right when I was about to pull out, she wrapped her legs around me and yelled : “BE MY BABY’S DADDY!” I couldn’t get out in time. FML”
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Seattle Washington Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
LMFAO. I laughed so hard I slid off my couch and rolled on the floor for a little.
Thank you for submitting that. I needed that laugh.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
I verify the accuracy of Seattle’s comment. I literally watched him roll in laughter. A true ROTFL.
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Ummm before you guys throw around the idea of Planned Parenthood, please do your research on the facility and #2 Margaret Sanger who started this whole organization. It will make you think twice about this place.
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Let me stir the pot.
To answer the question. I am pro-choice. And by pro-choice… I mean choice for everyone.
Here is my suggestion to the courts. Once a woman becomes pregnant, in order to qualify for child support she would have to notify the father within one month (in case of domestic abuse, she could simply serve him, like a subpoena). The father is than given a choice on if he wants to keep the kid or kill it.
If he choses kill and she wants to keep it… she is given notice that she will be a single mother on her own. He is only responsible for covering the expenses of the abortion, travel, lost time from work (we will guess around $800). She could than either use that money for the abortion or buy some diapers, its up to you b!tch.
If he wants to keep and she votes kill, she does not have to inform him of the pregnancy. And she wants to keep it and doesn’t want to tell him… cool, but at no point can she apply for Child Support.
We need to do away with all this your choice was made when you spray B.S. It makes no sense that a woman is given an extra choice. Plus we never take into account, those crazy women that wet-kiddies out of condoms and turkey-baste themselves to some rich rapper of ball player. How about those girls that punch a hole in the C? These courts favor women waaay to much. Things need to be spelled out in legal writing. A 18 sec drunk enduse mistake shouldn’t cost a ninja 18 years.
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:02 am
” A 18 sec drunk enduse mistake shouldn’t cost a ninja 18 years.”
WHATEVVVVS… “I was drunk” is not viable excuse for adults. If you hit someone with your car you wouldn’t cry “I was drunk” to the police so don’t do it now. Reckless is reckless, regardless.
If you have your mind set that you’re not going to be sexually irresponsible, 9 times out of 10 you will act that way out of habit no matter how drunk you are. I’ve only been gone enough to be like “eff a condom” once, but because I’m selective about my partners and look for like minded individuals, my partner, though equally inebriated put me in check, called a time out, and fetched a prophylactic. To me, THAT was sexy.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Drunk Driving and Drunk Diving are too different cases.
One you are taking life and robbing someone. Its a crime period.
Impregnanting someone is not a crime. And plenty of people enjoy plastard boinking (i’m not one of them) so we should give them an out for society’s sake.
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and1grad Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I would endorse and spread a petition to see this idea fully implemented into the legal system. Miss me with the “you shoulda thought this before…” nonsense. That mess carries ZERO weight when you (women) get to make the final decision. If you really ARE about not making fathers out of men who dont want to be, put it in writing that you’re signing on to be a single parent.
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Mmmmm… So…. ok I’m all over the place on this subject. I am a practicing Christian and truly believe God has a purpose for all of us that was thought of before we were evn placed in our womb. So as far as I am concerned abortion NAH MEK IT… and I’m talking regardless of the circumstance. Some very influential people were born out of the most horrific situations.. I’m jus saying…!
BUT I do know that is my opinion so I don’t think the Gov’t has the right to dictate what someone does with their body. The choice to have or not have a child should be up to the mother AND father. Sorry Ladies though I do think we are the smarter sex saying that we have more of a vote on this issue is bogus. Yes its YOUR body but I think you forfeit the right to have the deciding vote when you laid down with dude. *shrug*
Also I think that the issue of wanting to have an abortion is selfish. As far as I am concerned once a baby enters the picture they are the most important thing. If you can’t raise the baby put it up for adoption. Far to often people like to cite all these reasons and to ME they just sound like excuses. And as far as i’m concerned “Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent…” People (OUR generation especially) do not consider the consequences of their actions. When you decide to have sex and you do not take the proper precautions you are leaving yourself open for all kinds of outcomes. And if having a baby is one of them I think you need Wo/Man UP as someone else already stated… In 7th grade I knew a girl on her 4th abortion! 4TH! SMH.. Like I said this is just MY opinion. In no way shape or form am I saying this is how anybody should run they life. Just my 22cents. And for the record Im not for the death penalty either lol
Fabulous Blog by the way
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Seattle Washington Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Thanks Somethin’ Special.
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I’M PRO-COMMUNICATION
Hello!
I think many couples tip-toe around this issue and its unhealthy. Get that conversation over with if you decide that withdrawal or oooo baby I like it raw is the way you want to go. Or if you are using some form of bc, make a contingency plan yall can agree with.
I am not feelin bc pills, the morning after pill or running off to the abortion clinic at this stage in my life..I’m grown and I don’t let just any space shuttle into my galaxy.
Furthermore I don’t trust all these methods of bc which have only been around since the 60’s…
Like where the hell did HPV come from? and how is it that many more couples have to deal with infertility now a days?
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Somethin' Special Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Sooooo true. We don’t really know the long term effects of BC yet.. As far as some people are concerned we are seeing them NOW with all this infertility and kids with so many new health problems.. I dunno I’m jus saying.. I don’t mess with BC anymore as well
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I am pro choice…As for right now, i can easily say that i could never have an abortion. But with the same token, i know that i am NOT at a place in my life where i can provide for a baby. You never know how you will act in a situation until you are there!
I totally agree with not having sex with someone that you can not see being the father of your child(ren). I thank the Almighty everyday that a child never resulted from the past relationships that i have had. (Can’t imagine being tied to any of them for the rest of my life…would’ve been ALL bad!)
I do believe that both parties should talk about their options before making a decision. I don’t feel that it is fair for a woman to make a unilateral decision without first talking to her partner. Ultimately though, i do feel that the final decision should be left up to the woman.
I think people need to talk about these things BEFORE they start having sex. Accidents happen and both parties need to be aware of how the other feels about the issue of abortion. If a woman is totally against abortion, why would she get with a guy that says that you must abort no matter what? Then she’s in the position of having to raise a baby with a father that holds resentment against her and the child. That is just not the ideal situation to be in…Communication is key!
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i’m pro choice but it really doesn’t matter what i am because i’m not a woman. i can never tell a woman what to do with her own body. one of the reasons that i’m pro choice is an example that seattle listed. rape. many moons ago i dated a woman who had a son which was the result of rape. she obviously was pro life and decided to raise the child. she is a very intelligent, attractive woman but she struggles being a single parent, working full time and going to school. i can only wonder how her life would be today if she was pro choice (outside of the physiological damage)
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One more comment and then I gotta get focused on my focus…
I think the best way to prevent rampant abortions is to start at home. I have this conversation with my girls from high school all the time. All of my close female friends went to college virgins. Not because we were prudes, not because there wasn’t any action coming our way, but because we weren’t taking any chances and weren’t gonna be statistics.
Come to think of it, none of my close friends, male or female have had any kids out of wedlock. Why? Not because we’re big on religion…
The answer is simple. Getting pregnant just wasn’t acceptable. We were all real clear on the fact that it was not okay. I think my parents would rather I robbed and killed than for me to come home talking about “I’m pregnant”.
My mom never gave me any scary speeches. I didn’t get the “don’t bring any babies home” talk until I was 20 and my dad noticed “some nigga’s car” parked outside my apt all weekend.
Expectations in my house growing up were very clear. There were somethings that just went without saying.
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“Seattle – I Never Had Sex With A Mime Before – Washington”
Well, that would be a sad, sad act since ninjas like when a woman responds…verbally. Like, what is she gon’ tell you how you’re hittin’ her spot via interpretive dance?
Anyhow.
Wow, I was both looking forward and dreading this topic at the same time. Mostly because my brow furrows like a pre-Botox Nancy Pelosi at the question:
“Does a father have a say in the abortion?”
Dayum. Upon instinct, I’d raise my fem fist and say, “Hell all the way to the naw, that’s HER body”. But, once I think about it, even though a woman’s body is the mode of “transportation” — for lack of a much better word — in order for the baby to arrive in this world, the baby is still a baby. And maybe one that a father already loves or is open to fall in love with.
Wanting to abort is not only about the pain of going through childbirth, it’s what happens afterwards. And what happens afterwards is where the father comes in.
Honestly, if I were ever faced with that decision and decided to have an abortion, I’d have to discuss it with the father prior to making the choice, no question about it. What does leave me with questions is what if we never come to agreeance? What if he decides not to compromise with me? What do I do then? Do I take the “We both made this baby and are bound to fall in love with him/her, but I have the upperhand since I’m the one who will birth the baby” and have him resent me forever, or do I stick it out and have the baby in order to keep him happy, yet I resent him forever? Neither leave the woman with an easy choice. And, frankly, it’s not supposed to be.
If I were very strong about the decision to abort, I’d hope to have an understanding and supportive enough husband (emphasis on that…lol) that would not hold it over my head for years to come. Because if we’re talking about fairness, yes a woman has the “upperhand” in determining whether to abort or not since it’s her body, yet men have the “upperhand” in not staying home to take care of the baby and leaving the mother with all the dirty work. I saw that ish in MTV’s 16 And Pregnant (good show, I HIGHLY recommend). On one episode, the teen mother was stuck taking care of the baby while the father went out almost every night. Sure she could scream at him to stay, but she couldn’t make him. Now, could SHE do the same thing. No, because she is the mother and it is EXPECTED of her to stay. Not so much with the father. *eyeroll* So, fairness is null and void if we’re being real here.
So yeah, I guess I’m not entirely sure of my stance since I’m jumping around here. I can see both views and honestly don’t know what I’d do…it’s not one of those hypothethicals I can positively state because I don’t even wanna think about it unless I have to…
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Miss Jenkins Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:38 am
“Like, what is she gon’ tell you how you’re hittin’ her spot via interpretive dance?”
**Dead**
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Seattle Washington Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Well, some of the best responses I’ve gotten are when she didn’t have to say anything at all.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Intimidation is a crime homie..
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Co-sign.
There is always a small ‘pause’ right before all hell breaks loose and limbs start flying in the air.
Than they start making sounds like a cat bringing up a hair ball.
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Cheekie Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“Well, some of the best responses I’ve gotten are when she didn’t have to say anything at all.”
Ha! Touché.
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I too am pro-choice. I just pray that I never have to this type of conversation with a dude, or make such a decision.
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Pro Choice
Disclaimer:
I, nor anyone else, should place themselves in the situation where this decision will have to be made.
I try my best to never have to make this decision personally for moral reasons, but I do feel the government should not dictate such a thing.
Prior to its legalization thousands of women would die annually in the U.S. due to botched “back room” abortions and thousands still die today in other countries because of it.
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ildolceamore Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Word. Huge problem in developing countries. Especially religious countries where pre-marital sex is no bueno, people make at-home mixtures and contraptions for abortion. Some scary stuff out there.
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Hi! I’m late guys, the good kind of late, is there a good kind of late?
So. I read this book, “When the Chickenheads Come Home to Roost” and the author makes a brilliant point: A man should have just as much right over whether or not to keep a child, because it’s just as much his as it is hers. Two people were responsible for inflating the balloon tummy, and it’s only fair that they both have a say on how it’s popped. I think men have the right to exercise their right to choose whether or not they are ready to be fathers. If your man says he’s not ready, you can’t be surprised when he’s a bad father. Word.
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Peyso Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
That’s a good read and Joan Morgan is a great speaker
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Stop tryna get your e-boo back.lol.
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Peyso Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
hahahahahahaha,
i’ve e moved on. I’ll admit that the fact that I’ve read what could be considered feminist literature is questionable (pause) but it really is a good book lol
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Nada to add. Just wanted to state that this is a great piece. Truly enjoying the discussion.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
That’s partly what she said.
Glad you enjoyed the piece though!
Nope…no pause.
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Black and Trapped in Toronto Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I was waiting for that….lol
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N.I.A. naturally Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
lol. yeah, she walked right into that.
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RightCoastLexSteele, The 2nd Coming of Bigg $exxxy Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Or maybe it was strategically planned.
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Why does this discussion about abortion make me wanna give some piping out?
Its all this talk about C’s and drunken throaxing. Pull outs and prophylactics (while the taste is terrible, pause, the smell is programmed into my brain to mean ‘beats’).
I thought these discussions were suppose to scare people away from making reckless decisions. But all I can think about it how good those ‘mistakes’ or close calls feel when you are making them.
In conclusion…. just put it in. It feels so good.
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Black and Trapped in Toronto Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I will have to second this statement:
“all I can think about it how good those ‘mistakes’ or close calls feel when you are making them. ”
Thanks a lot 3ways :s
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Anna Nimous Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
If the tast is terrible it’s because you’re using latex, which smells like old balloons. Try polyurethane or another advanced material. Lifestyles Skinz and Trojan Supras are pretty good (Supras run a little small, though).
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Hey ildolce – for some reasons we’re both late on this, and I’m pretty sure we inspired the post.
Antywho, here are my thoughts:
- Are men really going raw inside of women they DON’T want to be have their baby? And then saying, “she made me squirt in her! She pulled me back in! She rode me to the finish!” As my 2nd favorite crackhead says, “What kind of f**kery is this?” Why are you raw doggin’ in the age of AIDS? Take your nuts and go home on that mess, homie. You’ve just abdicated control over your future – no boo-hooing over your child support payment (or case of firecrotch) after that.
- The choice is the woman’s. Sorry – no amount of “men’s rights” support will change it. When you squeeze the baby out, you can decide what happens. I wouldn’t have made it that way, but then…I didn’t create the universe.
– You may have guessed this, but I am pro-choice. Volunteered as a clinic escort in college. I get it from my mother. As much as she is religious (Christian) and believes in adoption (adopted me as a baby)…if you come to her looking young, dumb and pregnant the first thing she’ll do is dig in her bra for some money and give you the name of a good doctor. Mamma don’t play dat.
- Cheekz, we’ll have to agree to disagree with child support. Men do have a choice, they just don’t have a second chance. Sex isn’t the casual decision we make it out to be. Really, even if you don’t have to pay any child support would you REALLY be comfortable having a kid out there that you never see? If your seed came looking for you would you be like, “Naw, son – I never wanted you.” Are you that dude? Consider child support along with the other potential downfalls of sex: disease, poor performance, gettin’ caught by her dad or man, etc. Stop lookin at booty so lightly.
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Peyso Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
“Men do have a choice, they just don’t have a second chance. ”
What happens if a chick gets pregnant from a broken condom or she poked a hole in the condom or some other foul or just unfortunate thing, does the man have a choice now?
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Anna Nimous Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Peyso,
In those cases men do have a choice – as to how you’ll handle *her* decision. There are men all over the world not providing for their seed. And again – let’s say she decides to have it against your wishes. You gonna willingly add to the “wayward Black youth” we’re always complaining about? Are you willing to reject your child when he’s old enough to look you in the eye and ask you why?
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Peyso Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
This isnt the case for me but what I am saying how can you expect a man to realistically take owness of child when he has no say on that child’s birth. To me it just seems like an a$$ backwards outlook.
Also, one could argue that if the dude’s feelings were considered there would be less “wayward black youth”.
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Anna Nimous Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
P, you know I think you have a good head on your shoulders so I don’t see you pulling that move. It IS an a$$backwards outlook – which is why you men should be more careful to not put yourself in a position to be victimized by scandelous women.
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CHeeKZ Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Word Peyso.
We need less children. That would lead to less wayward children.
Don’t put a responsiblity on me that you are not willing to put on a woman. Society lets hoes slide too much.
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Anna Nimous Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
What? I understand that you’re frustrated because you don’t have a choice once the woman is pregnant, but there is no physical or biological way to give you that choice without the state granting you the right to force a woman to have (or not have) an abortion or committing a violent act. No, it’s not fair. But there’s a lot of stuff that’s not fair. If you know ahead of time what the risks are why not just protect yourself to the fullest? Women have the right to say “no” to sex – but how much does that matter when you’re alone in a room about to get date raped by Chester Molester? Our best option is not to tell him “You’re violating my rights, Chester!” The best option is to try your darndest to vet the person you’re going to be alone with. Is there a chance it could happen anyway? Of course. But you’ve done all you could to control the uncontrollable – life.
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Men do have a choice, they just don’t have a second chance.
Lawd Jesus, you was preachin on here.
Let ‘im use ya!
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CHeeKZ Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
‘Lawd Jesus, you was preachin on here.’
i dont know what that means
‘Let ‘im use ya!’
Isn’t that how you got knocked up in the first place?
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Anna Nimous Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Cheekz,
Leave my Jesus alone and put on a dayum rubber! You can’t see me through this screen, but I’m giving you, Lex and Slim the side eye for that “she tricked me into coming inside her” rant. I actually turned into the old southern black woman I am on the inside and put my fist on my hip while I was reading. SMH!
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Hey hey hey. I never said I got tricked. I was just saying it presented an obstacle to my exit.lol.
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Anna Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Mmmm-hmmm. You was in there raw, weren’t you? With a woman you didn’t want to have children with? Depending on the rhythm method – the least effective form of bc every known to man because of pre-come?
Excuse me, I’m going to go sweep my porch and hum a negro spiritual now. Loudly, lol.
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ASmith Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Damn shame… damn shame…
Let ‘im use ya! = Let him use you = Let Jesus speak through you = Pagans BEWARE (the last part is a jokey joke for anyone easily offended)
C’mon Cheekz… you gotta be able to speak in any Southern dialect I throw your way or what do we have?
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I am absolutely pro-choice … Pro-WISE choice. I don’t think every child needs to be aborted, but of the women I know who have personally made that decision, it was for the best. An unwanted pregnancy could be detrimental for both the mother and the child. Some people carry the perception that abortions are had by one type of a woman…. a lascivious woman who should pay for her actions. NOT AT ALL. Abortions happen to fast women, to prude women, slow women, intelligent woman, to ambitious women, to upper class women, to round the way women…. I mean, sometimes accidents do happen. A woman can be raped, yes, but there are condom mishaps… and well mistakes. I personally know several women who have had abortions… and you would never suspect it. They don’t fit the type.
I am a proponent of early abortion however. I think within the first four weeks you’re dealing with a collection of cells.
And lastly, I would like to discourage people from thinking that women have nothing to lose. For the rest of your life, many women who’ve gone through such a procedure will see a baby and wonder… would she have had a boy or a girl. It’s a haunting choice that she’ll have to carry for a lifetime as well.
My two cents.
Noni Aminah Jones
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1) I’m pro-choice. I’ve stated time & time again that I’m not obligated to judge so I don’t. Proooooo-choice! I believe people have the right to do what is best for them so long as they don’t impart harm on another (some ppl don’t consider an embryo “another,” & they are entitled to that belief).
2) I, however, DO. I believe that an embryo = a human life from the point of conception onward; be it a bunch of fast growing pluripotent cells or a fetus, if it has 46 chromosomes, it has a full set of genes, &, to me, that means it’s human. Thusly I don’t like abortion – I would never ever choose that for myself. I couldn’t stomach killing what I believe to be a human being.
3) I believe in abstinence and birth control. It’s my opinion that if ppl are ready to have sex, then they are ready to field the consequences; bcp’s & condoms are not full proof & we all know it. We also know that having sex, yes every time, runs the risk of procreating. I feel sympathy for rape victims and children, I do – not for consenting adults who understand the consequences. & just incase ppl r left confused & ready to spit fyrah, not agreeing with a person’s choice does not make me any less pro-choice. Do you, I won’t like u any less for it, I just won’t agree.
4) I believe that the man SHOULD have half the say when it comes to the “decision.” It’s not man’s fault that women are the vessels for reproduction… I don’t think the “it’s the woman’s body & she can do what she wants with it” argument is substantial or fair. Takes 2 to tango, takes 2 for sperm to hit ovum…it takes 2 to, “statistically speaking,” successfully raise the child…it takes 2, ppl. Sometimes a couple may not see eye 2 eye in the end, & God willing I won’t ever witness that sitchiation, but the point is, the conversation needs to happen, & the decision needs to be a logical one that bestows more good than harm upon everybody involved.
5) Be productive, not reproductive loves!
- Rox
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I have a question tho… do ppl think that all docs should be trained to perform one?
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Slim Jackson Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
@Rox: Not gonna lie. Def scratched my head and said “hmmm?” for this one. Good question.
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Joey likes it when Slim & Seattle tag team... the issue Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
No way, it’s a specialized procedure. I wouldn’t want a foot-nose-and-throat (pause) doctor doing open heart surgery on me. I don’t care if he was trained briefly on how to do it.
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Joey likes it when Slim & Seattle tag team... the issue Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
LOL… and by foot, I mean ear… thought I’d leave it for comedic purposes.
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CHeeKZ Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 10:07 am
i don’t know much about how they train you doctors Rox. But I figured they would only teach ALL doctors life saving procedures and teach specialized doctors these extra stuff.
But what do I know….. good look this semester.
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Mc Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 10:23 am
I think that we should. We learn and are exposed to everything in medical school. That does not mean we have to pursue a career as an “abortion doctor” but as physicians we should have experience with everything.
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Personally I’m pro-life, and that’s not going to change regardless of what dude wants. At the sametime I let that be known before things get that far. My reasoning is I’d rather HE hate me than me hate myself. As for it not being fair, it itsnt – life isn’t fair, oh well. I’d think knowing that it isn’t fair and that they’re left with the short end of the stick men would be more interestest in where her head is BEFORE the fact…
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Personally I can’t see myself ever going through with an abortion. But I think its so selfish for someone to think that the government should prevent ALL women for terminating their pregnancies just because YOU personally disagree with abortion. What about the rape victims, what about the people with mental disorders, what about the 12 year old girls, what about the people who simply can’t afford to care for a child, what about the people on drugs, what about the people with HIV? You have to look at every situation. Sometimes abortion is the best option.
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