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  1. Very good post. It’s funny that you ask why these stereotypes persist among women when you (probably subconsciously) listed one about men.

    “I don’t know that light skin dudes have really suffered that much. Women still love those pretty boys.” Light skinned men aren’t all (or even mostly) pretty and Morris Chestnut is sho’ nuff pretty in my book.

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    Keen observation. That’s exactly my point though: the stereotype being the word “pretty” as associated with skin tone in both men and women–has little to do with reality. Where it does, its just people living up (or down) to the hype.

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  2. Peyso

    I dont really wanna comment on this jawn but I will say this, the average light skin chick looks better than the average dark/brown/chocolate complexioned girl, not by much but noticeably better. HOWEVER, a bad dark/brown/complexioned straight doo doos on a bad light skinned chick. Like no competition.

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    Southern Belle Reply:

    That’s a pretty dense ‘hit & run’ comment for someone who doesn’t really want to comment, e-boo…

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    Peyso Reply:

    even my hit and run comments are dense. I am a pretty dense bol

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    Chocolate CHeeKZ Reply:

    I have never agreed with a statement more than I have agreed with this one! This is the most powerful statement I have ever read. I co-sign this powerful comment. I was coming into this thread to say the SAME EXACT THING!

    I nominate that Peyso statement be moved from Theory to Scientific Law. All the Evidence that need be seen please direct to Bria Myles

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    Cheekie Reply:

    Actually, um…this post made me go “hmm” and I actually think Peyso’s statement is that truthness.

    A bad dark-skinned sista has the most flawless skin and I covet it on the regular.

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  3. But why does the “big and scary” black man do something for me? I love them. lol

    I think “The Man” contributed to our self hate bc in earlier times, the lighter slaves were treated perceivably better than the darker ones.. they got to work in the master’s house while the darker ones toiled in that hot sun, which divided us.

    I belive it is up to us to change it though. Slavery has been over for years, but some are still harboring that mindset. And because we arent’ united as a single, BLACK group, it allows for other people, namingly, the 2520s in Hollywood to get away with treating us as they do- it is the reason why darker girls are not getting the work that lighter girls are.

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    Southern Belle Reply:

    “But why does the ‘big and scary’ black man do something for me? I love them. lol”

    Sigh, I share that sentiment.

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    Nicki Sunshine Reply:

    Girl, I don’t know if you saw Cadillac Records, but there is this scary man named Howlin Wolf… now he’s not cute by any means and he is SCerrrrry, lol. But something intrigued me.

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    Reina Reply:

    Intrigued me as well.

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    Nicki Sunshine Reply:

    LMAO. That is soo funny, Reina.

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  4. I have to admit that media glorification of lighter skinned or even mixed Black women is prolific. I think all shades of Black are gorgeous and I happen to love my shade of almond brown…. but I admit, growing up, for a while, I did have a complex. And I really do think that it was because the women that were glorified for their natural beauty in pop culture were brighter skinned. In other countries, India, Africa, South America, the Philipines– places where you have a broad spectrum of color this complex exists and the use of skin lighteners is common. I’d like to think that Blacks in America are more progressive, but I don’t think so. The issue stems from the same problems, the Eurocentric idea that the lighter a woman is, the closer she is to the beauty ideal, and a media that pretty much reinforces it. I love Beyonce, but if she was Kelly Rowlands shade, I wonder…. would she still be BEYONCE???

    Ultimately it comes down to self-love and what is taught in the home. It also, I have to say, comes down to the experiences women have with men. Many men are inculcated to believe that the idea ‘trophy’ woman is lighter skinned with ‘good hair’. So, for a woman of color to be turned down on this premise, can be devastating. Needless to say– there are leaps and bounds to be made in our community addressing this issue. Thanks for bringing it up.

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  5. Peyso

    I think we give the media too much credit. They arent feeding us light skin women just b/c they deem them more attractive. It’s because they deem them more profitable. If we supported our women of a darker shade, we would see more of them b/c it would profitable for the media outlets.

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    As per your earlier comment, it seems like we don’t support the dark skinned women hence our current state. And in this country profitable = attractive.

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    ayesha Reply:

    Peyso, a profound point. But if you think of it in this manner– then the issue is cyclical. As long latent preference is present in the media, it will generate a preference (amongst some) in the population. And the question becomes, how do we break the cycle?

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  6. Southern Belle

    Complexion issues exist cross culturally as well, I’m Indian and I think my mom and I have issues because I’m darker than her (just kidding, but not really.)

    My mom is very careful about staying out of the sun and I never cared, so when I was growing up she looked like a Bollywood actress while I looked like a slumdog. The first thing she noticed about my brother’s fiance is her complexion and whenever she’s describing someone to me she depicts his/her complexion to me first. Clearly it’s a big deal.

    It all goes back to the caste system that was largely a part of the framework of ancient Indian civilization, and still silently remains. The Untouchable caste (beggars, trinket makers, and sanitation engineers) were always out in the blazing sun because they didn’t have homes–hence their darkness.

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    Reina Reply:

    The same thing happens in Latin America & Caribbean. It’s not so much that those of a lighter skin shade are considered prettier, they’re also considered richer & more educated. When you visit Puerto Rico, the services you encounter will present you with the lighter-skinned Puerto Ricans. If you want to see the darker ones, they’re either in the restaurants’ kitchens, or you’ll just have to drive out to the farthest barrios.

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  7. Yeah, I do the skin jokes. Like I’d call Flav a ‘Turd’. But, he’s an exceptional fug. Would he truly look better if he were light-skindeded? That’s my beef with the glorification of light skin. Less-than-stellar chicks seem to always get play regardless of how lovely (or not so much) their features are. See: Tiny of Xscape.

    I always tease my baby nephew that he’s bougie since he’s light-skindeded. Seriouly, this little mofo rolls his eyes at folks. And he’s two. No one sat down and taught him that. That ish is skin-dependent.

    As for who I am attracted to, I went through the light-bright phase in grammar/high school. In college, when I found myself surrounded by cornfields and 2520s both my tastes and myself matured a bit, I embraced the dark. So, can’t say I really have a type as far as skin color goes now. Which is good. I don’t have enough decent brothas to choose from as it is. Why should I deminish that chance by being skin-color picky? lol

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    “I don’t have enough decent brothas to choose from as it is. Why should I deminish that chance by being skin-color picky?”

    I hear that. I like chocolate more than I like caramel or butterscotch, but I won’t necessarily turn down a piece of Werther’s just because its not a Hersey’s Kiss.

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    Nyela Goodness Reply:

    “That ish is skin-dependent.”

    on.the.floor. lol

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    Just A Thought Reply:

    Rollin eyes is skin dependent? Ha! Maybe he saw one of his attitude-having relatives doing that ish… and you know which color has the most attitude…

    *** Ducking for cover. It’s just jokes people***

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    Cheekie Reply:

    LOL @ Just A Thought

    Naw, when we’re trying to pick him up and stuff (he’s 2 so he thinks he’s Mr. Independent now) and he doesn’t want to be cuddled and fawned off, he’d roll his eyes…like eyeballs slowly rolling up to the back of his head eye roll. He’s perfected it and it’s the funniest thing ever. He’s being doing that mess since he was like 1 and a half.

    And note: he’s light skinned AND has light eyes. Double whammy bougie!

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  8. Confused and Lost

    “I find it entertaining that people can be somewhat defensive if you call them “light skinned,” as though you are threatening to snatch their Black Card away. No worries. Your hair, nose, and lips will ensure that that will never happen.”

    Not necessarily. I’ve personally lost count with the amount of times I’ve had to argue about my nationality and/or defend why I “perceive” myself to be Black. It quite annoying.

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    Just A Thought Reply:

    I’ve had to do that as well. Ironically, the person who does this the most is black american (parents from Jamaica) who doesn’t really have any black american friends, doesn’t listen to black music, doesn’t go to a church with more than five black people, and is waiting for a british black man to magically come find her in this backwoods town we live in. SMH

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  9. JG*

    I think I have a complex because I think I’m dark skinned, and people tell me I’m light skinned or “Red”. I mean we all know why this exists. It will go away, it will just take forever.

    Over at FXP we talked about being color struck or just liking what you like. Interesting
    http://thefreshxpress.com/2009/03/am-i-color-struck-or-do-i-just-like-what-i-like/

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  10. RightCoastLexSteele, Dark Diggla

    Being dark is a uphill battle. It’s so hard making all this chocolate look so damn good. Thank you Jesus for cocoa butter lotion.

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    Anna Nimous Reply:

    Dark Diggla – you hit the nail on the head with that one!

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  11. good post. i posted something similar a few weeks ago.

    http://sleep-is-the-cousin-of-death.blogspot.com/2009/03/light-vs-dark-skin.html

    i too am dark skinned and i grew up with a complex but for some reason i never liked light skinned girls like that. i’m still more attracted to darker skinned women.

    “We get just enough play so that we can’t say we’re not on tv, but not nearly the same amount of shine. In music videos, its still the lighter skinned, weaved out women that get all the play (unless her ass is the size of Texas).”

    i agree with this and think that its a shame because there are plenty of darker skinned women who are beautiful. one of my personal favorites is jessica white who gets no where any of the credit she deserves.

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  12. OrangeStar616

    light or dark or somewhere in the various shades in between, it takes more than complexion alone to make anyone attractive, far more.

    I think this colorstruck phenom is a by product of slavery truely…..

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  13. Anna Nimous

    IDK….

    So far, the only things denied to me as a chocolate sister are:

    -marriage to a professional athlete and
    - video ho-age

    To me, how the media portrays skin color is pretty close to how it portrays weight. We like to see skinny gals on TV. Even the gal who is supposed to be “curvy” is only about a size 4. I’m a solid 12, and can say personally that men.love.the.thickness. Any woman my size would be portrayed as a “plus size” chick on a show and given little to no play. But that’s the point: TV is not reality, and quite often what they tell us is “fine” may not translate to your average man (or woman).

    Being brown skinned, to me, is a blessing, albeit a small one. Skin color does not – as a rule – make you more or less happy, successful, or lucky in love. The only thing that matters here is your self perception. I’ve seen it too many times: if you believe you’re fine, others will, too – no matter what you look like. A stank attitude will make you uglier (literally) while a good attitude will make you better looking.

    And for those who have skin color as a pre-requisite and not just a preference: “Keep it movin’ Clayton Bigsby!”

    Anna “I’ve Tasted the Rainbow and Proclaimed it Good” Nimous

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    Cheekie Reply:

    “So far, the only things denied to me as a chocolate sister are:

    -marriage to a professional athlete and
    - video ho-age”

    HAHAHA! ‘Tis true!

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    “Being brown skinned, to me, is a blessing, albeit a small one.”

    One reason: I don’t burn in the sun. hehehe

    “Skin color does not – as a rule – make you more or less happy, successful, or lucky in love. The only thing that matters here is your self perception. ”

    Ain’t that the truth. Well said.

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    Anna Nimous Reply:

    Guuurl, why did I have to find out the hard way that this is just not true?!? Picture it: Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, 2007…..

    A beautiful chocolate princess relaxes poolside for a week with only baby oil and sunlight on her skin. A week after the trip said cocoa princess was peeling an essential layer of herself off, from head to freakin’ sunburnt toe.

    SPF 50 for everybody!

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    You know what…I did that in Miami a few weeks ago. Just my baby oil gel and my brown skin. I was good though…just a nice sunkissed tan.

    I do have a dark skinned friend who burns AND blushes though. Bless her heart. As a result, I call her fake-dark skinned. Cuz we don’t do those things. lol.

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    dennis Reply:

    some darker skin blacks actual change color when they blush, i have seen it. i am a mediun brown man and i blush, my face turn reddish,with a glow, it is now as profound as a lighter skin person but if you observe ,you can see it.

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    Caramel Cheekie Reply:

    “I do have a dark skinned friend who burns AND blushes though.”

    Wait, whaaa? She BLUSHES? Black folk don’t blush. What color does that turn out to be? lol

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    dennis Reply:

    the answer is to you as well i have seen light skin black women cheeks turn a glowing pink when they blush, i have seen a light brown skin face turn a hot pink color,i have seen her sister cheeks turn a maroon color, it really does happen. observe.

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  14. Just A Thought

    As a caramel sista, I never had a complex about my color until I moved to FL. My family is mostly light, and I was the darkest thang (for the girls – I have two milk chocolate brothers) up in the family pics. Also, I grew up in a Midwestern city where most of the black people are on the lighter side of chocolate. Color was no big thang, and if I got teased for being white, it was because of my vocabulary and elocution.

    But, when I moved to FL. I was called Red. I was called light. And if I had a dollar for every black dude that ran up to me with a smile on his face asking if I was mixed, and then have his face fall when I say I’m black, my student loans would be paid off. But it’s not only black people, because my Spanish friends keep asking if I’m part spanish, or they say I look spanish because apparently in their minds black people can’t have hair that isn’t what’s referred to as kinky. The fact that they keep doing this after a year of knowing me says something about their limited view of blackness, but I digress.

    I think this is a result of enslavement, colonization, and the elevation of a European standard of beauty worldwide. But it is due to internalization of these standards and perpetration of them. I wear my hair natural, and all of the people that have said negative comments about it have been black. White/Spanish/Asian men that met me have never visibly shown disappointment when they learn that I am an American Black, and not some other racial mixture. And don’t get me started on all the “pretty” comments directed at someone solely because they are light, mixed, etc. The most tragic was a girl I knew a couple of years ago. She was the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in person, and I say that as a woman very secure in my attractiveness. I used to tease her that it wasn’t fair that she got the looks, the skin (chocolate), and the body, and that I would trade places with her in a heart beat. She responded, “girl, I’d take your skin and hair in a minute. It ain’t all what you think being dark.”

    As for men, I appreciate all colors, but I really don’t prefer the darker men. I tried to analyze why, but I don’t really have a reason. I’ve seen fine chocolate brothers that make you wanna slap somebody, but a boris kudjoe look-a-like works more for me.

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    ayesha Reply:

    Wow. What an honest post. Thanks.

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  15. I hope everyone had a good Easter, if not sorry?
    Ahhh the color issue…and as we see today it is not just an issue within the black community. I really take it personal when I hear light-skin/dark-skin jokes/cracks/comments. I know it’s all in good fun, but some of us are too ig’nant to tell the difference, really.
    I think that the only way we, meaning universally, all shades of the rainbow, will overcome our color preference issues is through education. There are so many scientific benefits to having a higher content of melanin that it should be desired to have a darker complexion over a lighter one, but we so far deep in our ignorance that we doubt ourselves and our beauty- me included lol
    I am light-skin, but I see the beauty in all shades. I don’t think I am any better than my darker skin sisters, and I hate hate hate when dudes step to me and ask me what I’m mixed with, get out of my face with that! I think I’ve mentioned this before but the black woman is the most disrespected and desired woman on the planet…even though the “hybrid” woman appears to be desired with that also comes a large amount of disrespect. I don’t want any man in my life who only reveres my racial background or skin tone, because if that’s the only thing he value I can only expect to be disrespected when the next lighter and whiter thing comes his way.
    As for my dating preferences for awhile I had a dark skin craving because their skin is oh so buttery smooth- is it lunch time yet? But I mean I love all shades of chocolate boys..and likewise I think that all shades of chocolate women are beautiful.
    I’m not gonna act like I’m color blind though, I come from a culture that glorifies the “brownin” & “Indian hair”…but I mean you can still have all that and people will still find a way to hate, “oh you need to eat more” “you eating too much”…fuk what other people think…you can’t satisfy everyone!
    Great post..got me thinking outside the box, which today is my cubicle….

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  16. Nyela Goodness

    I’m caramel.

    Tis all.

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    Caramel Cheekie Reply:

    Caramel runs it up in this here piece.

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    Nope. Chocolate wins.

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    Anna Nimous Reply:

    Co-Sign! Chocolates – and chocoholics – rule.

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    Caramel Cheekie Reply:

    Caramels are the best of both worlds, though. Plus, caramel makes chocolate better.

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    Nyela Goodness Reply:

    Thank you very much. Caramel is a great flavor by itself and, like salt, is a wonderful flavor enhancer. Caramel always wins! Chocolate just fakes the funk. (Let’s go, Cheekie…I’m ready)

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    “fakes the funk”? What world are you living in dear? Caramel would have no need to exist if it wasn’t for chocolate. Yes, I enjoy what caramel brings to a Twix bar, but no one walks around eating pure caramel bars for fun.

    Pause.

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    Just A Thought Reply:

    Caramel makes chocolate better. And do you know what a key ingredient in chocolate is? VANILLLA!

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    Nyela Goodness Reply:

    Er Vanilla? No need for that mess. All caramel needs is a little sugar, butter, and whipped cream goodness. Chocolate is cool, but it’s more of the same. Add a little caramel, and you got yoself some sexy, sweet goodness! Yessirrr!

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    Anna Nimous Reply:

    I think we’ve wondered into R Kelly’s “creative process” LOL!

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    Caramel Cheekie Reply:

    “I think we’ve wondered into R Kelly’s “creative process” LOL!”

    LOL @ Anna Nimous

    Now watch he makes a song out of our comments.

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  17. Okay, I went to lunch and I wasn’t here to defend us caramel cuties…but thanks Nyela for holding it down. ;)

    “Yes, I enjoy what caramel brings to a Twix bar, but no one walks around eating pure caramel bars for fun. ”

    Not “caramel bars” but caramels are the truth…I mean, nowadays, it’s just pure fructose, but if you go to a gourmet shop and get their caramels? HEAVEN.

    Why you think candy bars are now adding caramel to their blandness? Reese’s did it…I think Kit Kat did, too. Hersheys did it! We WIN.

    ETA: Oh crap…apparently food comas (pronounced: ‘itis) reduce my ability to use the reply function.

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    Nyela Goodness Reply:

    cheekie is great.

    tis all.

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  18. niasmomma, Da Chocolate Drop

    Dark skinned beauty, here. ;)

    I’ve always been attracted to various types and hues of men. However, in my history mostly light skinned and “mixed” boys chose me. I always thought of it in terms opposites attract, though, because growing up dark skinned men/boys seemed to be attracted to light skinned women.

    Matters not to me ’cause I know my dark, supple skin is hot shit. I’ve never been at a loss for suitors. I feel no competition with other women based on skin color. Oh, I’m not impervious to wondering what having long, wavy natural hair to my ass crack feels like; I just know that black beauty covers a wide spectrum and being a “red bone” doesn’t necessarily come with that kind of hair or anything else that might make you THINK you’re better than anyone else.

    To have a color complex in the’09 is silly. We come in so many beautiful shades. As a dark-skinned sister with a creamy complexion, beautiful eyes and a radiant smile :) , I have to tip my hat to the other dark skinned people who know their hotness and don’t feel they have anything to prove to anybody.

    Black is beautiful.

    Black don’t crack.

    The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice.

    And, ain’t nothing uglier than “yella throwed away”. (<–courtesy of my good friend’s grandmother)

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  19. Royal Empress

    As we say in trini…the only good red ting..is a dollar…

    See this complexion thing is worldwide…i’m a darkie and i get hit on alot (i don’t have no best body..ass and whatever)

    You all should hear trini men talk about a reds (light skinned girl) …If she good looking naturally they would say but if not they would say “the only thing she have going for her is her complexion”

    In the real world..well here in Trinidad at least…Darkies are highly desired by both sexes…

    It really saddens me that we black, African rooted people cause segregation amongst our own. And the thing that angers me is that these light skinned folks go around thinking that they’re God’s gift to man and woman just cuz they lighter than me and u..when in fact when those white slave masters raped our African women..THAT is how they end up light skinned.

    I am not against no one..I have family who are light skinned..my man light skinned..but I am PROUD of my African heritage (even though I am mixed with Chinese and East Indian..but I am mostly of African descent) and I am PROUD to be a DARKIE always have been from since I was a little girl..

    People need to get out of this mentality fast..it is already bringing us down as black people..

    I am proud of your current president..Mr. Obama but what I am seeing/hearing is that folks proud of themselves as black people BECAUSE of Mr. Obama and that shouldn’t be. We were once held down by others and we are still being kept down…by ourselves this time around…

    People NEED to wake up..

    *Singing* “Darkie wey from..a long time meh call yuh but yuh never wah come”

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    Welcome Ms. Empress!

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  20. InsomniaPoet

    I know I am late, but there is a dark skin girl in the Lubriderm commercial that makes me smile everytime I see her!

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    Hey boo! We miss you!

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  21. JamaicanBeauty

    Okay…so I’m an avid lurker, but I decided to come out of the covering to make a few comments [smile].

    You know… “us” as a people have been struggling with our internal race wars for years, but even the perpetuators of this nonsense [2520s] know the truth. I mean, what other explanation is there for their intense desire to be so “tan”??

    I, personally, am a beautiful shade of chocolate brown and have always been complemented on my skin tone. And with a little baby oil gel on these thick thighs in the summer… you couldn’t convince me that I wasn’t the bees knees, lol.

    And I concur with previous posters who say that, it’s really all about how an individual feels about themselves, bc although many people have a preference or type in the physical sense…it’s really the personality, confidence, and “swag” that gets you the play, not skin tone alone.

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    Sowhatiff Jenkins Reply:

    Thank you for commenting (and lurking). :) You should come out and play more often!

    And baby oil gel is the truth!

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