Now Cheating Deserves Capital Punishment?
This Has Been A Seattle PSA
These past few weeks have been marred by a slew of timely and untimely as well as natural and unnatural deaths. And last week, yet another life that was taken too soon. The life of Steve McNair, quarterback for the Tennessee Titans. Unfortunately, this man’s life was not celebrated the way it should’ve been because of the circumstances surrounding his death. The husband and father of four was murdered by his 20 year old girlfriend. The media obviously concentrated on that fact as did many women. The fairer sex often declared, “he got what he deserved” instead of having any remorse about how he was killed because he had a mistress. Now I’m not downplaying nor do I condone sliding off, but since when does a man deserve to get murdered for having a girl on the side?
There was an out pour of unsympathetic talk about how he got what was coming to him from women across the board. His wife walking out on him? I can see that. Taking the kids with her. Yep, it happens. Taking half in a settlement? Not a Seattle co-signed activity, but I’ve heard worse. But death? C’mon now ladies. Besides the fact that we don’t know what the arrangement there was between McNair and his wife, does a man really deserve to get shot multiple times for that? I know it’s morally wrong to most of us, but who are we to judge? Not only judge, but give sentence as well. From what I remember from my Catholic school years – only God has the right to give and take life. So how are these same God fearing folks going to say that someone deserved to die?
I also saw a lot of women who also said something to the effect of, “let this be a lesson to you men out there.” Hmm? What lesson? To sleep with both eyes open? Not to mess with crazy women? Well young lady, I learned that one a long time ago. I’m sure many other dudes have as well. Steve McNair didn’t need to be a martyr for that to be exposed. Oh, you mean the lesson not to slide off on my future wife or wifey? For the record, I don’t believe in cheating. I learned my lesson long ago. My conscience can’t handle it. That’s me though. Some dudes can. As can some women. Some couples build relationships and live off “sliding off.” So once again, I can’t judge the next person. I just stay in my own lane. Not to mention I do my best to live by that ye old adage of “let him without sin cast the first stone.” I would bet some of those same women who were raising the proverbial pitchforks and torches at McNair have either been a side chick or, worse yet, have slid off on their man. And if you haven’t more power to you, but I highly doubt you never had any dirt on those manicured hands. So tell me, do you deserve to get popped too?
At the end of the day, McNair got killed by a 20 year old girl whose thoughts of living happily ever after with the football star were probably crushed. Therefore, he was neither without sin nor was he the devil incarnate. So lay off the man and stop saying he deserved to die. Perhaps you should think about both your own indiscretions and what you deserve.
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Personally I have been a bit unsympathetic about McNair’s tragic passing. Mostly because it hits too close to home. It makes me angry. The whole situation really gets my blood boiling.
Why? Because I don’t approve of men sliding off… nope. Because I wouldn’t want my man sliding off on me… nope. Because he had a mistress… nope.
Why? Because he made dumb decisions. Dumb, stupid, selfish, reckless decisions that left his kids w/ no dad. That left his mother w/o a son, that tarnished his career, ruined his legacy and left him dead, gone… such a waste.
As a woman with many close male friends I watch them do the same stupid shit. Why? Cause new pussy makes them feel good?!?! Life isn’t all shits and giggles. You don’t get to just do everything you feel like doing because you that’s what you want. Being an adult is about choices. Being a parent is about making healthy choices for yourself and your children. Being a husband is about making healthy choices for your family.
The whole situation really just makes me angry. In McNair I see every man I love and care about that does dumb shit without regard for how it will effect their life.
Example… I know this one kid who randomly started sleeping w/ a married co-worker. He knew the chick had issues. He had said she was nutty when they were just buddies on the job. So then WHY on earth would you sleep with her!?!?! My first thought is she’s nuts so her husband might be too and if he finds out he might do some crazy shit and come after you. This chick ended up pregnant at one point, but just assumed the kid was her husband’s… and my boy is completely unphased by the very real chance that that could be his kid. He invited this chick to his birthday party, introduced her to friends. He had no feelings for her, didn’t want to wife her… it was just fun. Woopee!!!?!?!? To add more excitement to the mix he slept w/ her friend who also works with them. What if this gets out at work? What kind of way is this to start your career?!?! What will you do when that chick ends up your boss?
When faced with all of these questions my boy, he shrugs. “That could happen, but won’t happen to me.”
McNair didn’t deserve to get shot, or hurt, or anything close to that, but the point is that he put himself in this situation and there are consequences to making reckless decisions. This is clearly an extreme example, but there is a lesson in that.
If Steve McNair was my father, my brother, my cousin, my boy I’d be just as angry. Why? Because this didn’t have to happen.
…my apologies for cursing.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Ms CHerry,
This is a prime example of women thinking out of emotion and not reason. His affair didn’t cause his death, A CRAZY WOMAN WHO TOOK A RELATIONSHIP TOO SERIOUSLY CAUSED HIS DEATH! It is irrational behavior to shoot someone that cheats on you. Steve McNair can’t be held accountable for the women being irrational.
There is no connection between cheating and getting merked! How can you blame him. If he had divorced his wife and dated this mistress (alleged mistress b/c our noses asses are still assuming) SHE STILL WOULD HAVE SHOT HIM once he tried to leave.
There is no lesson to be learned here other than women are too emotional, reckless, selfish, self centered and have the worst perspective on life out any gender or species on this planet.
ITS A RELATIONSHIP GET OVER IT! The world aint over.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Can always count on CHeeKZ to come thru with a raw and unedited opinion.lol. I’m glad you’re my friend.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Love You Dog. No Elton John.
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:53 am
“A CRAZY WOMAN WHO TOOK A RELATIONSHIP TOO SERIOUSLY CAUSED HIS DEATH!”
That right there is where the disconnect is for men and I don’t understand it. Men kill each other over “disrepsect” all the time. Is it right, hell no, but men seem to understand the impulse or see how a dude could get that upset. But, when a woman shots a man over “feelings” she’s crazy and men just don’t get it.
“There is no lesson to be learned here other than women are too emotional, reckless, selfish, self centered and have the worst perspective on life out any gender or species on this planet.
And men aren’t emotional, reckless and selfish?!?! Cause men kill women and other men for “good” reasons?!?! Just like some men take another man looking at them disrespectful way too far. If McNair got shot in a fight in a club in the hood that was clearly a shady place to be people would call him reckless even though no one deserves to get shot for being in a club.
Yes, she took the relationship too seriously, don’t most young girls? Juliet killed herself because she couldn’t marry the man she wanted. It’s a tale as old as time. At sixteen I used to mope and write sad poetry because the boy I liked didn’t like me back. A good friend of mine took about 200 pills one night because her man cheated on her. Girls go dance on poles because Daddy didn’t hug them enough. Feelings matter!!! Emotions ARE serious!
Yes a crazy woman took a relationship too seriously, and an unwise man didn’t take a crazy woman’s feelings seriously enough.
The most interesting thing I’ve noticed is that all the men that think women are trippin’ seem to be under the age of 35. My dad’s first reaction to McNair’s passing was to shake his head and say “damn, niggas and young girls… they’ll never learn”.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Difference between men and women: When a man does something ignorant and dumb, ie shoot someone for looking at them, other reasonable men don’t come to his defense and claim that the shooter was a victim just because we don’t like to be ‘looked at’
You women are the ladies of Threewaystotakeit.com, you represent the best that African American working women have to offer and you are trying to tell me EMOTIONS are reason to kill someone? If you let your feelings get the best of you, you will do something dumb. If you let your emotions get the best of you, you fail, don’t put this on one of the greatest black QB ever, who was only a year away from OT, and possibly a ring and the HOF.
What crazy Iranian girl should have done was packed her things and leave him.
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:23 am
I think every woman today has started out their comments with “nobody deserves to get shot/murdered/killed”. I think we’ve also all said that homegirl was crazy and/or disturbed. No one is defending her. Saying that McNair owns some of the responsiblity in the events that led to his unfortunate end isn’t saying that this girl was in the right.
I don’t think there’s any good reason past defense for killing anyone. Every life is valuable and who are we to play God.
That girl was crazy. She was also young, and young people do stupid, reckless things. I don’t expect a 19yr old to exercise good judgement. I do however expect a 36yr old with a wife and kids to think before he acts.
“If you let your feelings get the best of you, you will do something dumb.”
I completely agree. I also think that when you use your dick instead of your brain the same thing happens. That’s my point. Young men today, meaning our age group, in my opinion, often seem to act w/o thinking and seem to under estimate the possible fall out from their indescressions.
It’s my hope that in light of the McNair tragedy some men might think twice before doing something loose and see that some risks are not worth taking.
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Ironman Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:42 am
“That right there is where the disconnect is for men and I don’t understand it. Men kill each other over “disrepsect” all the time. Is it right, hell no, but men seem to understand the impulse or see how a dude could get that upset. But, when a woman shots a man over “feelings” she’s crazy and men just don’t get it.”
Wow, in my 20 something years on this planet, I have NEVER thought about the times when women go bat-shit insane in this context. I’ve gotta hand it to you for articulating this point. I won’t lie, I’ve co-signed on dudes hitting/stabbing/shooting people over the wrong sort of dis-respect. Some times things in this world that are illogical still have meaning. If a guy goes to jail for beating to death a man who spit on his mother, I’d have to say I understand. I wouldn’t condone it, but I would understand. I by no means think that McNair deserved death (or any sort of punishment in general) for his behavior. And I definitely don’t understand the emotions that could lead ole girl to kill him. I’ve gotta give props to your analogy though, cause its gotten me a little closer to understanding what could be going on in the minds of some women.
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Rox Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:16 am
CHeeKZ, I’m glad ur my friend too, lol but to”There is no lesson to be learned here other than women are too emotional, reckless, selfish, self centered and have the worst perspective on life out any gender or species on this planet.” It ain’t friday, but eff outa here!!!! I hesitate to believe u REALLY believe in that sweeping generalization, but u could…so to that end, I’d throw it right back atcha buddy. MEN, yes, men are guilty as SINNN of these things too & really shouldn’t cast that stone…
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Love U Rox. Way to call me on sweeping comment. However, I will edit my lesson:
“Don’t love them hoes. Don’t get married. Don’t share your wealth. If Steve had thought like a pimp and not tried to ‘love’ his mistress and wife like a gentleman he would have still had his life. Cherry isn’t this also a reasonable conclusion? Pimping would have saved this man.Being soft and letting the hoe spend the night is what really got him killed.”
Isn’t that just dumb. We can’t draw a conclusion that being lose leads to bad consequences. Being alive leads to bad consequences. You can’t live your life like a turtle hiding from everything.
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Ms. Cherry had a great reply.
As for me, yes, it’s sad that he died, and though, I don’t think he “got what he deserved,” he cheated.
I cannot stand cheaters.. it’s a punk, selfish move.
Most of all, my heart goes out to his wife, who MAY have found out this way. And now she is a single parent.
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I really agree with you seattle 100%. I hate when ppl say women are crazy but honestly… People who say anyone deserves to die, save i dunno a serial killer, i gotta question their mental stability. Okay, he was wreckless for steppin out on his wife with all these women, specifically young vulnerable women, but i don’t think the punishment for that wrecklessness is death. I don’t think this serves as a lesson for men, except like you say, don’t mess with crazy chicks. But i think this is a lesson for women more than anything. The first thing is no man is going to leave his wife for you, and you’re no better for being with a married man than he is for steppin out. Second, when you think someone deserves something, ask yourself whether his kids deserved to be without a father too. If not, judge and ye will be judged.
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MaPockets Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
disagree. men leave their wives all the time.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
b/c they hate their wives, not b/c of the side thang.
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My thoughts are simple. No one deserves to die before their time. No one. However, some people put themselves in a situation that can in fact lead to an untimely demise. Being a Blood and walking in Crip terroritory, driving a four wheeler on a pond that hasn’t quite frozen over, driving drunk, and yes sleeping with a damn 20 year old when you have a family at home. That is not to say that these things cannot be survived but are the odds in your favor? Nope. Had he taken the infidelity route he would likely be alive today? Yes. But was his death punishment for his actions? Absolutely not.
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Remi Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 8:37 am
I agree.
@Seattle – No one deserves to be murdered. However, as I have said before, the things we do have repercussions, they may not be deserved and may be over the top, but there are repercussions for our actions. I don’t think that is judgmental at all.
If a dude has been thuggin it for as long as he could and he gets shot b/c of that, people will be sad and it’s not deserved, but people will definitely recognize that he lived his life recklessly and that helped play a part.
It’s the same thing here. He was with a young girl he was not supposed to be with in the first place, who was clearly unstable. I refuse to believe that the first time she did anything crazy was the day that she killed them both. He probably knew he should have avoided her, but didn’t. He didn’t deserve to die, but he could have avoided his own death. That is not insensitive, it is the truth.
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When you strip away the infidelity and the fact that this child (because that is what she was) took her revenge/anger to the extreme, we are left with one basic fact: A 36 year old man preyed upon, used and manipulated the feelings of a girl young enough to be his daughter for his own personal and sexual gratification. You play a very dangerous game when you toy with the emotions of others. While many people are able to brush their shoulder off and let things slide, that’s not the reality for everyone. Unfortunately for Mr. McNair and his family, this girl decided that she was not going to be some disposable plaything to simply be discarded with the morning trash like the countless women before her.
While her actions are inexcusable, you have to stop and wonder about what kind of circumstances will send a person to a breaking point such as this?
All of that “he deserved to die” talk is vile, however I do hope that this will be a lesson to some who might stop and think twice before deciding to use and manipulate another person.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:28 am
“A 36 year old man preyed upon, used and manipulated the feelings of a girl young enough to be his daughter for his own personal and sexual gratification.”
Bitter Much?
A 20 year old woman is not a child. A 16 year old woman is not a child. At 12 years old, you should understand the seriousness of killing someone and that it should only be done in self defense.
Steve McNair is a victim. He was murdered in his sleep. Why? Because he lied? We don’t even know that for sure, the Iranian chick could have just assumed they were exclusive. But we know that he was murdered.
“however I do hope that this will be a lesson to some who might stop and think twice before deciding to use and manipulate another person”
You can only be used to the point that you let yourself be used. She openly entered a relationship with a man that was still married, enjoyed his condo, the black esclade that he bought her, his big black yard marker, and his paying for expensive trips… couldn’t she have just said ‘no, I’ll wait for the divorce papers before I give you my sandtrap’?
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Shauna Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I’ve never been in a situation such as this personally so I’m not sure the term “bitter” would apply to me in this case. I only call it as I see it.
The mindset and life experiences of a young 20 year old girl and a 36 year old married father of 4 are vastly different. I think you would be hard pressed to find many people who would disagree with that. I know men who have cheated on their wives before and they purposely choose these young, naive girls because an older woman sees through this game immediately. As I have already stated, I think her actions were deplorable, however when you decide to use and discard someone for your own personal pleasure you assume all of the risks that come with that.
From what I’ve read here and in other media, it seems as though the opinions of men and women distinctly vary on this topic. In my humble opinion, I think that deep down, this scares the crap out of men because a well known, high profile individual was played at his own game and payed the ultimate price for it.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
O man.
You are painting a picture of McNair as a user and that is unfair. We don’t know what they talked about, or what he said to her. Just b/c she wigged out does not mean that McNair gave her a reason to.
“I think that deep down, this scares the crap out of men because a well known, high profile individual was played at his own game and payed the ultimate price for it.”
Well its not like she got one over on him. She is dead too. And yes being killed in my sleep by a crazed lunitic should scare anyone, not just men. How do you know your boo piece is all together in their head? This is related to his mistress, his wife could have pulled the trigger.
And lastly, what is with all this 20 with a 36 year old talk? That isn’t even that bad. What about all the healthy relationship that exist between people with more than a decade between them. Its wrong for you to point to only this one and say “its the age, the old guy taking advantage.” Demi seems to work well with Ashton. Hugh Hefner and those Bunnies. Donald and whoever. Woody Allen and his daughter. If its legal, its moral. We have no right to judge.
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RightCoastLexSteele, Jack Sippa, Caddy Dippa, Wrist Glitta Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
“When you strip away the infidelity and the fact that this child (because that is what she was) took her revenge/anger to the extreme, we are left with one basic fact: A 36 year old man preyed upon, used and manipulated the feelings of a girl young enough to be his daughter for his own personal and sexual gratification.”
There’s a reason that the infidel wasn’t giving up the buns to the line chef @ Dave and Buster’s. I’m not gonna sit here and say that Air McNair didn’t G her up, but she know exactly who dude was and what it was hittin’ for. There are MILLIONS of women out there that set their sights on dudes w/ money and ONLY dudes w/ money. I just heard Weezy ex/baby mama/whatever say that somehow entertainers are just attracted to her. And yes, it’s true, most rich men enjoy the company of whores. Tomato, Tuhmato.
On a lighter note, who ever’s idea it was to combine a chuck e. cheese atmosphere w/ liquor should be awarded a Nobel Prize. Kudos to you Dave and likewise to you Buster.
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Never once did I feel or actually say he deserved to die, but I did say and firmly believe that HE himself took the steps that lead to that, unbeknownst(sp) of course…….
the bigger lesson in that is, when you decide to live foul, you open the door for all sorts of other foulness to come in……..
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While most men will agree, they ain’t got a clue what McNair was doing… That 20 year old chick is crazy. Gatti’s wife was crazy. No matter how you slice it. Some women get so hung up on infidelity they throw the blinders on. It’s not that serious! It’s not life or death. I can see, if he gave you HIV/AIDS, but it’s not that serious. If anyone had a right to kill someone for any other reason, it was Hillary. That’s because Bill Clinton EMBARASSED her ass on a global level. Honestly, not everyone cares about McNair that much. And he was a retired player, not the President of the USA.
Then again, as all my female friends tell me when I complain about something a young lady is doing to me when she’s a lot younger than me holds true. “That’s cause she’s too young for you.”
Score one for dating in the age group. Young, young, young women just can’t stop doing dumb shit.
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Nicki Sunshine Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:35 am
“Some women get so hung up on infidelity they throw the blinders on”
Infidelity is THAT serious because no one is making you do it. If you are unhappy, JUST LEAVE. Find some young freak who will do the nasty things you want. Find some women who doesn’t speak up for herself, if that’s what you want.
Women come in so many different shapes, types, colors, so why keep one that you really aren’t happy with when you can leave her and go find one that really embodies what you want?
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Dr. J Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:59 am
OK, he could just leave. But what if 95% of his relationship with that woman is great, except he doesn’t really connect with her sexually anymore. So for that 5% of sexual connection, he should leave.
Wait… i’m betting you’re going to say he should just suck it up. I’ve said it before, people have to really sit down and think about how big of a part of their relationship sex takes up. For some people it’s 5% and for others it’s 90%.
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Nicki Sunshine Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:08 am
No, I’m not gonna say suck it up.. but I would be really interested in meeting the man who says that 95% of his relationship is great and only 5% (the sex part) sucks.
Sex weighs more than 5%, I believe. Especially if he is willing to cheat on his wife. Who’d cheat for 5%?
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Slim Jackson Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I think sex weighs a good 20-30% on average in a relationship. I’d venture to even say that the quality of the encounter matters more to the woman than the man.
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Nicki Sunshine Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Slim, I would agree… also I think quite a few women would be okay with crap sex.
As for me, uhhh, no. lol. I’m not gonna be able to do it, and I really don’t have the patience to be trying to teach.
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I have read a lot of blogs and articles about this issue and I have been appalled at some of the things I have read as well. I stand firm in my beliefs of vigilante justice, and NO ONE deserves to be murdered. and in his sleep? wow. what a punk move. at least confront your victim in consciousness if you gonna go all out acting crazy. I do not condone cheating, and I don’t want to make assumptions in how he led her own, preyed on her emotions, etc. so I’ll only speak on the things I know. I know she murdered that man in cold blood. I’m sorry for the pain this has caused her family as well as McNair’s–especially his children.
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The one & only question I that crossed my mind after hearing the circumstances to his death was, “what the hell was he thinking sliding off w/ some 20yo!?!?” Then the discussion took off somewhere down Cheating Athlete Alley…
I don’t believe in judging others. I may or may not like what somebody does, or even that somebody… but judging ppl takes energy, often negative energy, so I’ll leave that UP to somebody who can handle it.
But McNair’s death was tragic – Sux. But his death was overshadowed by his infidelity. Infidelity is loathed by Americans just as much, if not more, than it is played… often by those very same Americans. I can also imagine (not from experience, praise God, but rather from my 1/4 medical opinion) that being cheated on can hurt just as much as having someone taken from you ~ for the moment at least (I hesitate to liken the two, but they are both seriously damaging circumstances, and the desire to rid the perpetrator are probably quite strong in both cases). Wishing death upon somebody is hella extreme & scary, but I don’t think that it is as rare of an “unnatural” reaction to being cheated on as ppl may think. So if that happens to you, my advice is *DO NOT TAKE ACTION* because the feelings will subside.
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The one & only question that crossed my mind after hearing the circumstances to his death was, “what the hell was he thinking sliding off w/ some 20yo!?!?” Then the discussion took off somewhere down Cheating Athlete Alley…
I don’t believe in judging others. I may or may not like what somebody does, or even that somebody… but judging ppl takes energy, often negative energy, so I’ll leave that UP to somebody who can handle it.
But McNair’s death was tragic – Sux. But his death was overshadowed by his infidelity. Infidelity is loathed by Americans just as much, if not more, than it is played… often by those very same Americans. I can also imagine (not from experience, praise God, but rather from my 1/4 medical opinion) that being cheated on can hurt just as much as having someone taken from you ~ for the moment at least (I hesitate to liken the two, but they are both seriously damaging circumstances, and the desire to rid the perpetrator are probably quite strong in both cases). Wishing death upon somebody is hella extreme & scary, but I don’t think that it is as rare of an “unnatural” reaction to being cheated on as ppl may think. So if that happens to you, my advice is *DO NOT TAKE ACTION* because the feelings will subside.
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I cosign 100000% my queens bretheren.
Rest in peace Air McNair. I hope whatever gods may be forgive his indiscretion and if he was a good dude overall they take that into consideration…
in closing,
If Rihanna was steppin out on CBreezy and got her ass beat, would she had deserve that?
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:28 am
“If Rihanna was steppin out on CBreezy and got her ass beat, would she had deserve that?”
Nope. But if she had already seen that he had a temper and might put his hands on her and she stayed with him and THEN cheated instead of getting out of there when she saw things might be shakey… then I would call her reckless and culpable too.
Also… Rihanna is like 21 right (young and dumb)? McNair was 36 (should know better)?
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:47 am
over 16 = not young. Youths in other countries don’t have the problems that this one does with young violence b/c they hold their kids to a higher standard. We have to stop with this young and dumb talk, act like an adult, b/c the law will treat you like one.
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MaPockets Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I don’t think 16 year olds are treated like adults by the law. please post something to back up that claim. thanks.
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CHeeKZ Money Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Really you never heard of juveniles being charged as adults in the USofA? We are bastards over here. Boring Political Science warning. Kent V US: Supreme Court ruling said it is a judge’s call to base this decision off the crime and the maturity of the defendant.
“The laws on trying juveniles vary from state to state. In some places for example such as Connecticut, New York and North Carolina, anyone aged 16 and above is automatically tried as an adult.
In some states it depends on the crime, and in Oregon it’s up to the judge to decide whether the defendant should be tried as a minor or not.
“Most states passed laws in the 1990s to make it easier to try youth as adults. These state law changes were a result of predictions of increased youth crime which never materialized,” said Liz Ryan, president of the Campaign for Youth Justice.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/world/06/23/09/lost-youth-us-minors-tried-jailed-adults
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http://www.campaign4youthjustice.org/
The young don’t act like it, so the law don’t treat them like it.
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CHeekZ Money Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 12:04 am
odd… this might be doubled or really late. But Kent v US. 383 U.S. 541. Gave the court the right to charge children as adults providing the court found the crime violent, and that the child had the mental ability to understand his crime.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0383_0541_ZS.html
or
http://www.campaign4youthjustice.org/
‘The laws on trying juveniles vary from state to state. In some places for example such as Connecticut, New York and North Carolina, anyone aged 16 and above is automatically tried as an adult.’
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Look, this is what I’ve discovered: at the end of the day, PEOPLE ARE CRAZY!!!!!!! I feel like I say that about 10x a day no joke. Think twice or more about who u choose to let into ur lives loves. Think it over real hard – don’t take it lightly. Times have changed – for the crazier, & life isn’t as sacred to many ppl as it once was.
Take care of urselves.
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I went in pretty hard on this issue last week:
http://thismayconcernyou.com/2009/07/06/steve-mcnair/
Point Blank: Adultery doesn’t beget murder. period.
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I think we must separate “he deserved it” from “sometimes we make decisions that have great consequences.”
I’m of the opinon that no one deserves to have their life taken from them and especially no one deserves to be shot in the head, multiples times, no less. HOWEVER, Steve McNair made bad decisions and he made them repeatedly. He is to be held responsible for those decisions, we shouldn’t ignore what he did and how it played into pushing this girl to the limit. Meanwhile, we must also not use that to explain away what she did. How many times do we hear or say “you are responsible for your own actions…” She is responsible for choosing to involve herself with a married man, for quitting her job, for becoming too reliant on McNair in too many ways and for finally taking his life. He is responsible for choosing to step out on his wife, for toying with someone’s emotions, for taking time away from his kids…
We’ve got to be careful where we place the blame as well as where we don’t place the blame. Just because McNair’s demise was ugly and unfortunate and appalling, that does not mean he’s not at fault or innocent…
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Rihanna was young and dumb because she’s 21? Look I don’t care if you are in your early twenties you are not a child you are an adult who can vote, go to war, have kids and get married all at the same time if you want.
She was an adult enough to knowingly hook up with a married man and now this sideline ho wants to play victim because she wasn’t McNair’s only jumpoff? Really if he’s cheating with you he’ll cheat on you that’s how it goes.
Please I don’t have any pity for her she did herself and the world a favor when she killed herself because she was of no use to anyone. The only bad thing is she took McNair’s life and their kids are fatherless.
If you want to kill yourself that’s your choice just don’t take anyone who wants to live with you.
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I just want to take the time to say what up to all the new names I’m seeing on the blog today. Thanks for coming out, please continue to stop on by.
With that said, let’s keep the party going…
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Much like everyone else here I’ve reas several blogs and aticles about McNair’s demise. I don’t agree that “he got what he deserved” no one should be murdered. But I did question what was he thinking getting with a 20 y/o with nothing. The first thing I tell any of my homeboys if they are going to cheat is never cheat with a person that has nothing to loose. McNair was 36 with a wife,kids,image, and hefty bank acct. The girl was 20. Just 20. She wasn’t from a prominent family or engaged… nothing. Just a 20 y/o that would do any nasty thing he wanted. That wasn’t an intelligent choice.
I don’t condone sliding off. It’s disgusting. But I have to agree with whoopi Goldberg when she said even the best of cheaters can get caught and eventually pull in a crazy person. Just know that anytime you cheat you put you and your family’s life at risk b/c you don’t know whether or not your j/o is crazy. Sadly McNair took that risk. Does that excuse oh girl for killing him, no. But some risks pay off and others don’t
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Wait, I just needed to make this comment because I can… ALL THIS TIME I THOUGHT I COULDN’T ACCESS 3 WAYS FROM WORK AND I CAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!
It won’t take them long to block it, but in the meantime… HOLLLLERRRRRRR!!!!!!!! UNCLE SAM YOU CAN’T STOP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! look at me now look at me now.
Okay, crazy woman on the loose. Watch out cheating men. =P
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Slim Jackson Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Damn, we may have to put the swear word filter back on the site to keep it safe.lol.
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after reading some of these comments i have a question: since when does being 19-21 give someone the reason to act dumb and reckless? you are still an adult, act like one. i understand if you are that age and you take back a partner who cheated on you (thats being young and dumb). but to be that age and shoot someone four times in their sleep? gtfohwtsh. if you can do that shit at 20, you can do it at 40. i don’t care if you are 15. there is NO excuse.
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i guess i’m the only person i know that had an “oh well’ response? people do as much as they can get away…period, end of sentence. he got away with as much as he got away with, then he didn’t…oh well, change the channel, in other news….
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sigh. this takes me back to my childhood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Fisher
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Reecie Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
yep. Amy Fisher got a primetime movie on all THREE local news channels too! hmph.
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I don’t understand this ‘conservative’ logic.
Everything you do in life is eventually putting you in a position that you will eventually die (since we all will die), that does not mean that you were wrong for committing that action or that people who are against that action should use your death as an example to not commit that action.
Its an isolated cased. You are ignoring the one deciding variable, the CRAZY. You can’t use a crazy person as your excuse on why not to cheat. Crazy people kill others when they are turned down, should McNair cheat with everyone who find them attractive? Crazy people kill others when they are trying to pump their gas, should Steve not pump gas? We shouldn’t be appeasing crazy zealots people, even if we agree with their issue.
Example, Murders of Abortion Doctors. Does the murder of Dr George Tiller (everyone remember his death made national news back in May?) ‘serve as an example’ to other OB/GYNs that dare perform actions that you disagree with. Tiller’s family is paying for the consquences just like McNairs. Conservatives complained about both actions that lead to these deaths. But at the end of the day, its your opinion. Not some sign from a non-existent god justifying your stance.
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Not much to add except to say that I agree completely with the post and that some may need to reacquaint themselves with “Judge not…”
This was a tragic occurence, not an opportunity to further prove anyone’s skewed ideology or to exemplify unfounded stereotypes.
Quite relieved the chick wasn’t Puerto-Rican, though.
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Seattle Washington Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
LOL at the fact that you’re just happy she wasn’t Puerto Rican. Thought only Black folk did that “look and cringe” news watching.
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RightCoastLexSteele, Jack Sippa, Caddy Dippa, Wrist Glitta Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Shoot, I wish she was Puerto Rican so all these black women can stop givin’ us the “that’s what you get for messin’ w/ them white girls” face and speeches.
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Seattle Washington Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I was talking to a
haterBlack woman earlier today and she said the same thing. Listen, the chick wasn’t White. She was Iranian. In case you haven’t been watching the news, or at least The Daily Show/Colbert Report, Iran is nowhere near Europe.“Seattle, y’know any chick that isn’t Black (or sometimes Latina) is considered White.” Yes, but we’re getting a little old for that. Dammit, we have Google Maps now. There’s no reason for this.
Just an avid geography fan is all. Marco!
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RightCoastLexSteele, Jack Sippa, Caddy Dippa, Wrist Glitta Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Polo! Indeed, there is a clear difference btw infidel women and oppressor women.
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Not “infidel women”… lol. That’s terrible! lmao.
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i still don’t get it though…he cheated on his wife, the mistress shot hit…these two actions are not mutually exclusive. i’m not understanding what/why he ‘deserved’. you cannot apply emotion to logic. if he had shot and killed her, would she have deserved it for contributing and being a party to his cheating? makes no sense to me. yeah he could’ve left his wife, but why would he have? he had his 80 and his 20…to our knowledge no one made it difficult for him not to have both.
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When my neos do dumb sh*t and I get to barkin’, “rational” heads always tell me “Fall back bruh, they’re young.” But like a great man once said, you can’t fix stupid. Of course McNair made a foolish decision by sleeping with an infidel, but chances are, if he did it now, he probably did it way back when, and would have done it if he had lived longer. You can’t fix crazy either, and had the infidel lived to be 60 she probably would have wigged out the same way if she found herself in that situation.
Let’s seperate the young from the old. People in general are dumb as rocks. And there’s no way to measure someone’s emotional capacity to withstand certain situations. I run into people to all the time that 25, 30, 40 but have the mental/emotionally capacity of pre-pubescent teens.
I got a tat that echoes the exact sentiment of a comment made earlier: “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” You can sit back and act holier than thou, spewing advice and spinning what if scenarios, but if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. But she doesnt. So we call her auntie. We all think we know what’s best, but when you get up from your computer, you’re gonna go holla @ crazy chick or respond to a text from a dude you know is either married, boo’d up and f*ckin everything walking. Let ye who be without sin cast the first stone.
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Smiley Face Reply:
July 14th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
“I run into people to all the time that 25, 30, 40 but have the mental/emotionally capacity of pre-pubescent teens.”
TRUTH!!! Age has nothing to do maturity or sanity, lol
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July 14th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
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I understand what you’re saying about blaming the man – but some of the members of the Cheaters Defense Fund need to fall back as well.
I tell you what – she may have been crazy, but she was his consequence. He was playing a dangerous game and lost. Not saying he deserved to die, but we can’t speculate on how another human being should exit this world. Sorry dude – that’s GOD’S job. Cheeks, trust that abortion doctors know they are in danger. They choose to do it anyway. I used to escort women from their cars to the front of a women’s clinic past the crazies in college. I knew my life was in danger as well, but when I weighed the pros and cons I knew it was something I wanted to do. Same thing with soldiers – you know ahead of time that you’re about to do something that could end your life, and you decide to do it anyway. I think that’s what most women are trying to get across to you. Like it or not, cheating is dangerous. Even outside of cheating the wrong pu*sy or dyck can kill you – quick with a bullet or slow with disease. the problem with McNair is that he probably thought there would be no real consequence for his actions, unfortunately, he found out differently. That’s like cartwheeling around the rim of the grand canyon and being surprised when you fall in. Doesn’t matter that you made it around 50 times before, the drop is still there.
We didn’t kill the man – the beautiful woman who he thought was a convenient jump off and silly little girl killed him. He did not understand that she was a threat and relied on his own sense of invinsability. And I’m sorry, but that was stupid of him.
Before you get your panties in a wad, women are just as hard on each other. “You went to ole boy’s apartment when you didn’t really know him at 2am to watch a movie and you say he raped you? Dayum girl, he was wrong….. but that was a stupid move. Next time make better decisions.” Yes, every woman deserves to have her body to herself and only share it when she chooses. But “shoulda” isn’t going to be in the room with you and Mr. Grabass. This is a concept that many women already understand, which is why we may come off as a little insensitive. We’re not insensitive – many of us just know better.
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