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Double Feature Thursday: Is Barack Really Dropping the Ball?
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Were we swindled a year ago?
It’s been 1 year since Barack Obama was sworn in as President of the United States. The blogosphere has been buzzing since late 2009, with many saying that he has failed us and is destined to be a 1 term president. If you factor in the recent debacle in Massachusetts with Republican Scott Brown claiming the Senate seat and the doom it brought to Healthcare Reform, it seems like the President has taken significant steps back in his agenda with many wondering if he’s even started addressing the things he promised the nation prior to his election.
I watched him deliver his State of the Union Address. I think we all knew that he would be extremely well-spoken as usual, but wondered if he would put whatever words he articulated into action. Honestly, I found myself a bit more pessimistic as I was listening to him before I caught myself doing what many have done for a year now. I’ve been one of his biggest supporters (passively) as I’ve read post after post by Black authors across the blogosphere tearing him down. I’ve wondered what people really expected any person elected to the highest office in the United States to do in the first year after 8 years of tomfoolery, shenanigans, and piss poor policy?
Much like any minority or woman that rises to a position of power in the United States, he has had the burning hot spotlight on his face with tan lines and wrinkles already evident after just 12 months in office. In listening to him deliver his address, I could hear the level of articulate frustration in his voice. He combined a variety of jokes with passive and aggressive messages to each side of the room. It’s obvious that he knows a lot of people are losing faith in him and what’s going on in Washington. His ratings have continued to plummet, and his trip to Massachusetts to rally for Martha Coakley proved futile. If anything, that victory in Massachusetts for the Republican senator-elect probably sparked his tone for the State of the Union Address.
I think one of the best things he did in his speech was acknowledge that his first year wasn’t a major success and there is a long way to go. He even indirectly said that he didn’t expect his Magical Negro powers to kick in once he took office. He knew it would be a long road to recovery, but I don’t know if he expected to lose the faith of people of all demographics so quickly. I also think it was great that he reiterated that he campaigned on change, but that people needed to understand it wouldn’t happen in a short amount of time or be easy. That’s been my thing this whole time as I’ve read article after article and post after post about him failing as President and most likely ending up as a 1-term man. And just as I started to also become a doubter, he delivered what I found to be the perfect type of speech given the current climate of things. Whether it was just another Barack “talking the talk” showing or an agenda of things that will actually happen is yet to be determined. I do know one thing though. Americans love to talk about faith, but are incredibly impatient.
What do you think? Is Barack really dropping the ball as much as it seems? Do you feel swindled? What are your thoughts on the overall speech? Let’s discuss while it’s hot.
If my son says he wants to be President when he gets older, I will crush his dreams,
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I think a lot of people expected him to change everything and turn it all around within the first few months of office. probably his campaign speeches made us feel it was going to be possible….oh well. Dude has really aged though. This SOTU speech didn’t move me or made me optimistic…. lets see what the next year brings…
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Slim Jackson Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I have a feeling most people won’t be moved for some reason. I really was just happy to hear him basically be like “Aight. I’m not the magic man. Give me some time.”
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R*A*G Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Exactly. I remember my only fear come election day last year was that if he won, ppl would be devastated upon finding out that he’s not the golden child on the pedestal they put him on. It ain’t his fault that the masses set themselves up; he’s the president now, but he has/is/will be only a man who is doing his humanly best to please a country that doesn’t know what it wants. I’m proud of him, but I don’t envy him one bit.
My one criticism of him is that I think he’s letting the republicans get under his skin & lettin it show. He needs to remain coooool & unphased & not succumb to an agenda that I believe is just that – to wear him out.
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:43 am
If its political .. me and RAG disagree.
I think he needs to rock with the Republicans. Standing next to them completely neutralizes them. Bipartisan is what people want… we don’t care if people on the hill don’t want it, its what they want.
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there is a say that goes “the best arguments against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter” With that said i think the same people who are against change are the same number of people against status quo. I think we should give POTUS time, the right wingare against most of his agenda & he can’t create policies in a vacuum. This is not to excuse democratic leadership that i think is big joke. I think moving foward the leadership will have to change the wheels as the bus is moving because the other side is very enthusiastic and ready to fight.
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Love the new look (I know, I’m late)… 2 posts in one day… looks like I’ll get to catch up on being MIA for a few days
I’ll be back later to add my two cents… or I guess 4 cents…
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First of all, please don’t crush your son’s dream of being President oneday. LOL! That’s just wrong.
“I’ve wondered what people really expected any person elected to the highest office in the United States to do in the first year after 8 years of tomfoolery, shenanigans, and piss poor policy?”
Right on!
What I found even more interesting were the responses to some of the things said in President Obama’s SotUA.
Such as Supreme Court Judge Alito shaking his head and uttering “That’s not true.”
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:50 am
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0110/Justice_Alitos_You_lie_moment.html
I missed that part orginally.
I’m not going to put my panties in a bunch over it like the Joe Wilson fiasco.
The President was right.. that court did eff up, but if you call out the Supreme Court to their face they are going to react.
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I’m not going to say that I’m optimistic or skeptical. I wasn’t either or during the election (even though I wasn’t able to vote since I was 17 at the time), but I knew he’d be better than McCain who’s Bush’s lackey. I just think that people are being ridiculous in putting all their hopes in a man who’s just started his 8th or 9th month in office after 8 years of the idiot that was Bush. Bush has done more damage than could ever be fixed in just 4 years let alone 8 months! Time will tell. At least he seems to be putting an effort towards doing what he said he would instead of sweeping it under the rug like many a president has done once they stepped into office.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:06 am
“At least he seems to be putting an effort towards doing what he said he would instead of sweeping it under the rug like many a president has done once they stepped into office.”
Bingo.
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Its funny, last week I had a heated G-mail discussion about Obama, I did feel very strongly that he was dropping the ball, my friend on the other hand said she didn’t care, she will always support Obama. I don’t understand how any intelligent person could follow someone blindly without though. I felt like he became president because he convinced the under 30′s that our votes counted and that we could work together for change, but it seems like 1 year in office was spent on the Bank Bailout and the health care plan thats gone nowhere. I understand the need for better health care, since he’s gone into office my healthcare has increased by $100 per pay period, instead of going for this drastic health care bill, why not regulate the insurance companies. Aside from the magical stimulus that was suppose to be in my paycheck, I don’t really see this “Change”.
I don’t want to come off like one of those people that expected Obama to fix everything, I just think he lost his audience with his lack of action. He constantly talks about going after the big corporations, but tonight even he admitted that the banks are back to handing out massive bonuses, health care bill is still pending, and the only people who feel the recovery are really those who had investments since unemployment hasn’t gone down.
He spoke about a lot of bills that he was proposing like the education bill which is great, I know my parents could have used that $10,000 when I was in college, but a lot of what he said didn’t make sense, getting farmers to export, cutting the capital gains tax for small business, even midsize companies tend to have minimal investments. Why tie your money up in investments when you have operating cost, or you could use it to build your business, he really needs to propose a threshold at which capital gains will not to be taxed, to entice more people to invest for there future.
I’m just tight because I feel like I don’t exist in his government, I’m 25 and I feel like nothing he said really applied to me. All these tax break for families, do I need to pump out a few kids to be considered. I am not saying I don’t agree with all of his proposals for the future but I need to see the action.
And lastly, at some point you have to stop using the “Because I’m black” excuse, and at some point President Obama will have to stop using the “Bush fucked everything up” excuse. It might be true, but the country is his responsibility for the next 3 years.
Side note: He needs to stop talking about soring up the economy and the umbrella of job creation. He was sounding very Sarah Palin at certain times, kinda saying a lot of nothingness.
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ASmith Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Do you mean he needs to stop talking and start doing or that you don’t think soring up the economy and creating jobs is the appropriate next step?
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Renee Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Job creation is very important. I put it as a side note because the wording bothered me. It was giving me Sarah Palin flashbacks, and I would prefer to forget she ever existed.
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The Award Winning RightCoastLexSteele, Yo Tengo Superior Genetic Makeup Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:58 am
“I’m just tight because I feel like I don’t exist in his government, I’m 25 and I feel like nothing he said really applied to me.”
You wasn’t feeling his relief for college loans at least?
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BLaCk Bruce WaYnE Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Honestly, the college loans relief and all the other great stuff he mentioned sounds absolutely awesome but in a world where two forces exist and have their own views of the greater good of the country, I don’t see all of those things happening. But I’m just sitting and waiting to see what happens.
But people need to understand how it works with regards to the effects after a recession. The job market is the last area to recover from a recession. The same thing happened in the 1980s.
Right now, I’ll give him an ‘A’ for being assertive in his speech but I have it written in pencil right now…
Waiting for the gab to tranlaste into results,
-BBW
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 10:51 am
YOU ARE GIVING HIM AN ‘A’ ON HIS SPEECH OR AN ‘A’ ON HIS FIRST YEAR?!!?!?!?!?!?!
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BLaCk Bruce WaYnE Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Chill chief…SMH …Please re-read my comments…the ‘A’ was for his ASSERTIVENESS during the speech…
“Right now, I’ll give him an ‘A’ for being assertive in his speech but I have it written in pencil right now…”
If you want my opinion on his first year presidency, all I can say is if Obama was a car salesman right now he’d get great reviews but even then you have to move the cars off the lot….At this time, I’m not impressed at all by his first year efforts. I’m not a Republican, Democrat, a conservative, a leftist or a hater…I’m just sayin!
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Renee Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Then relief on College loans is a proposal, it hasn’t been passed yet. But I was definitely feeling it, that’s why I said my parent could definitely have used the $10,000 over 4 years tax break. But further more unless he forces the banks to change existing loan agreements, I don’t know if the policy of only paying back 10% of your income in college loans will apply to my loans, which are already years old. Also, putting money into community college is great, but I was under the impression that Community College was already super cheap. A lot of this stuff was very vague, I’m just going to have to stay informed.
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Ms. Cherry Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
“But further more unless he forces the banks to change existing loan agreements, I don’t know if the policy of only paying back 10% of your income in college loans will apply to my loans, which are already years old. “
THIS!
As soon as he started talking about college loans I kept thinking WHAT ABOUT ME AND MY LOANS. He said a lot about current and future students but nothing about those of us who have graduated but are still saddled by student debt.
Also, while those programs sound great, what’s good with reinstating the federal student loan debt consolidation program that has disappeared into thin air. I am paying interest on 8… EIGHT separate loans with no relief. I hit up Sallie Mae back in ’08 right after the market tanked and they were like WHAAAATT!?!? Consolidation? Wheretheydodatat?! The banks aren’t coming up off any loans so in the meantime me and everyone else out there in my situation are screwed. I’m all for helping the kids but what about ME.
PS… I live in DC so yeah, so much for calling my Senator or Congressman. My “Delegate” Eleanor has my back, she’s very vocal but talk is cheap, til she gets a real vote DC is legislatively disenfranchised.
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ASmith Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
You got any federal loans? Have you checked out the income based repayment plan offered by the dept of Ed? http://studentaid.ed.gov.
They have a few options, if you haven’t already perused their site and if you have gov’t loans.
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I loved his tone and the way he took direct shots at EVERYBODY, including himself. I wish that he was this Obama more often. Throughout the campaign and the debates I think a lot of us (Obama supporters) kept waiting for Obama to tell ‘em how he really feels. I think tonight we got a small glimpse of that and personally I think he should do it more often and with more authority. While I appreciate his laid back approach and I respect the way he lets a lot of the rhetoric and criticism the GOP throws his way roll of his back, I’d also like him to really come out and stand firm when he things someone is wrong or made a bad move and be really vocal about it.
It’s time for Obama to take the gloves off, even if it means he might come off as the arrogant know-it-all that the GOP has labeled him to be. I’m an arrogant know-it-all… I’ll be that!
I’m not a politician so I dunno what specific action he should take, but I think people would have more confidence in his administration if he made a few aggressive moves and flexed his Presidential muscle…
::PAUSE::
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Slim Jackson Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:08 am
I agree with this. It’d be better if he was like this normally and not just when he’s frustrated and concerned.
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Maybe I am naive, but I have been an unflinching President Obama supporter. It’s not just that he could read me the dictionary and my panties would simply slide off, but more because I believe what he has to say! And I am not impatient. I get that real change… takes some friggin time.
I’m not pissed about the Health Care Reform because that, from the very beginning, looked like it was going to be a big piece to chew through. The more that Baby Boomers retire and the fatter the country gets, the more expensive this endeavor will become. If we speed through this process, I am afraid that we will end up with even debt and failures that Millennials will have to deal with when they are trying to retire.
And I believe in the Jobs Bill, because I also believe that the best anti-poverty protection is a world-class education. Most of the people who were laid off were not college-educated professionals… Don’t get me wrong, there were quite a few, but they for the most part have bounced back. The people with a high school education or less are the ones who have to wait for a new factory to be built in order for them to be any use to the economy again and unless we are creating those jobs for them, they are going to sit their butts on the recliner while I go to work.
I was excited that he said we have recouped MOST of the money given in the bank bailouts. I was amazed that he admitted that he hated taking that action. I was never more impressed that we have the right person in the job to do the right thing, even if its the unpopular decision. Bank of America has stopped breathing down my neck, and I thank my President for it.
And there was one thing (well 2) that I started to think about 30 minutes into the SOTU, “When is this going to end, I’m sleepy.” and “Wow… this is a lot.” The President has a pretty thick Agenda Playbook, and I look forward to another year and small but mighty changes. Currently, I am happy that I have a job. I am happy that my student loan payments are more affordable. I am happy that I am not scared shitless to fly on a plane and that we are taking strides to become a more progressive nation. I have faith that by the end of the 4 years, many skeptics will look up and realize that this is the best thing to happen to the US in a long time…
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nyhoop Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:43 am
“The more that Baby Boomers retire and the fatter the country gets, the more expensive this endeavor will become.” <– POW!
I think I agree with your entire comment
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I just want people in this country to be patient. Dang, they voted in Bush twice and got….the mess they have right now. This man did not start the problems, he can’t solve it in 4 years (remember the it does not take you one night to gain all that weight therefore you can;t lose it properly overnight analogy…kind of same thing here). I just wish people would stop being whiners and complainers and give him a chance (supporters or not). I’m not from this country but I pray for its recovery all the time and I pray for Barack (whether I support him or not). I see small changes and that means he is doing something
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I thought his SOTU speech was great, overall. I was worried about him harping on inheriting a deficit because we keep mentioning that and people keep not getting it, but the way he broke it down “in 2000 we had x and in 2008 we had not x” you can’t deny that he inherited a mess of massive proportions. He had to get real with them a couple of times, but apparently Chris Matthews still managed to forget he was black… ::eye roll::
I’m not disappointed in him as much as I’m disappointed in our legislative body as a whole. I mean what the hell is going on that we can’t get healthcare reform passed? I understand needing to keep your job, but welcome to politics. The needs of the people trumps your need to keep your job. Make the right damn decisions and be done with it. Jeesh.
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Renee Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
In my opinion the Health Care reform isn’t getting passed because he is going for low-cost almost free health care assessable to ALL, its appears to have no restrictions. Imagine if everyone decided to dump there regular insurance and run and get discounted Obama insurance, all the insurance companies would go under and this whole plan would backfire. If he forces insurance companies to agree to this, there will be a drastic increase in the cost of the working class healthcare. Nothing is really free or low-cost, somebody is going to pay and I would love to say I don’t mind paying, but able bodied people should get out and work to make sure there families have these necessities. Job creation is key and regulating insurance companies so they don’t hike up rates by 100% just because they feel like it. Once that’s done, he can should form a plan for instilling low-cost health insurance for children and those who need it. Companies like BlueCross BlueShield do work with the government to provide low-cost insurance like Child Plus, he should work with those companies instead of reinventing the wheel. He wants the republicans to work with him, but he also needs to work with established organization.
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MeteorMan Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
In my opinion the Health Care reform isn’t getting passed because he is going for low-cost almost free health care assessable to ALL, its appears to have no restrictions.
This is no longer true. Too many people b*tched about that and the government is basically paying the insurance companies for people. Insurance Co-op.
all the insurance companies would go under and this whole plan would backfire. If he forces insurance companies to agree to this, there will be a drastic increase in the cost of the working class healthcare
This makes little sense. Why? There’s no such issue between private schools and state schools. The cheaper state schools aren’t taking all the students/business from private universities. Ummm yeah…
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Renee Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
At the end of the day something is missing with this health reform plan. If the government can get me insured for a discount, then why would I choose to stay insured through my current company. Is his plan is to provide comparable coverage for a competitive price, so instead of paying $200 a month, I could join his plan and pay what $100 a month or less? That’s sounding a bit like “too good to be true”. The truth is you’re going to be paying your money for the free clinic effect, while decent health insurance will continue to increase in price. How can the government really provide insurance co-ops without raising taxes? I understand that Canada does provide insurance to its citizens, but taxes are much higher. Instead of paying the insurance companies for people, why not put regulations on the company’s ability to raise your premiums, similar to rent regulations, then keep the low cost health insurance that are already in place for children, the elderly and the disabled. As far as I know there is health insurance available to low income families, the government already pays large grants to BlueCross BlueShild for this coverage. On one hand he wants to put forth all this spending for healthcare reform, but on the other hand he wants to put a spending freeze in effect for 2011, that just doesn’t make sense.
When you say private schools vs State schools, are you referring to grade school and high school? I don’t even want to get started on that, but I know that really good public schools tend to be in areas with higher tax. And most people cannot afford private school prices so they are forced to send there children to public schools, which is why most public schools are ran poorly, lack resources, and have high failing rates. I sure don’t want my current health insurance to become the “Private School” of health insurance, but worse I fear having to settle for the “public school” of health insurance.
All I am saying is, instead of trying to convince everyone of this health insurance reform, why not work with established companies to improve the low cost insurance which are already available.
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Well…
I usually just live the HealthCare debate to the Medical Students. But Healthcare would be exempt from the Freeze. The Freeze would be on new projects. And would actually cost less than the status quo.
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MeteorMan Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
If the government can get me insured for a discount, then why would I choose to stay insured through my current company.
People choose more expensive schools ALL THE TIME. For those who CAN AFFORD the higher costs, they don’t really care and/or are not qualified for assistance. For those who CAN NOT AFFORD the higher costs, there are options. Think of it in terms of financial assistance for school OMITTING Loans. Just think of it as federal grants for one’s health care.
Instead of paying the insurance companies for people, why not put regulations on the company’s ability to raise your premiums, similar to rent regulations, then keep the low cost health insurance that are already in place for children, the elderly and the disabled.
This is included the health care reform bill since people can OPT not to use government assistance. There are 4 scenarios for getting health-care:
1. Your employer does it for you (the status quo), HOWEVER changes in premiums will be subject to regulations in the bill (i.e. reduction of businesses dropping health care coverage because they can’t afford it)
2. You opt-out of your employer’s health care plan and you choose your own and pay for it all yourself. You can already do this if you like.
3. You opt-out of your employer’s health care plan and you choose your own and pay for it all yourself and given certain criteria, you may be qualified for assistance. This the same for people without jobs.
4. Your employer using the government assistance in conjunction with a health-care plan. (for small businesses)
Read the health care bill.
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Renee Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
I have informed myself on the bill, but I also known insurance companies already receive funds from the government for low income families. We don’t need a brand new bill for everyone, even if it’s elective, it’s going to cost more money to start from scratch than to improve what’s already in place. I have seen similar regulations already in place for all except #1 and 4. I just don’t agree that it’s absolutely necessary in its current state.
Also be easy on the Bold and CAP’s, I would assume an intelligent man can communicate without e-yelling…no?
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MeteorMan Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
it’s going to cost more money to start from scratch than to improve what’s already in place.
There’s a lot of people that would disagree with that. I have no opinion either way. If it’s going to cost more, I feel it’s worth the investment.
Also be easy on the Bold and CAP’s, I would assume an intelligent man can communicate without e-yelling…no?
Wasn’t trying to yell though. I guess emphasis wasn’t needed. lol
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I cringe everytime I see articles titled something along the lines of “Obama failed”…it’s early and I can’t rant about it right now…but I believe A. Smith summed up my reaction to the SOTU:
“I’m not disappointed in him as much as I’m disappointed in our legislative body as a whole. I mean what the hell is going on that we can’t get healthcare reform passed? I understand needing to keep your job, but welcome to politics. The needs of the people trumps your need to keep your job. Make the right damn decisions and be done with it. Jeesh.”
Thanks.
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This is my first comment since the site appearance change, lol. Good Stuff!
I am in full support of President Obama. Unfortunately, the rest of the Democrats need to stop blocking him. There is no way that he should have almost the stongest Democratic advantage ever in Washington, and not be able to pass anything. Sure, we shouldn’t be blind followers, and ask questions; however, his party should all be flowing in the same direction. One thing former President Bush did quite well, was pass legislation. Regardless if it was popular, smart, etc. he and his folks rallied and stuck to their guns. #in2010 President Obama needs to do the same. Enough of the bi-partisanship; enough of trying to bring everyone together. Time to make moves!
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ASmith Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 9:57 am
I promise, if the GOP weren’t so DAMN racist and selfish and such EFFIN bastards, with policies that only screw over people who actually have to work for a living, I’d have to consider supporting them because they get ‘er done!
The Dems are a bunch of pansies. Great ideas, GREAT policy, but damn if they can enact not SH*T
The Republicans say “This is our plan, and we’re going to do it and then tell you why you like it, even though you’re probably going to lose everything you ever worked for.”
The Democrats
bless their heartssay “This is our plan, let us spend hours using words you’ll never understand trying to explain why you should like it and then allow your confusion to turn to opposition and stop us from moving anywhere.”I will say that I support bi-partisanship, let everybody have a turn, but I also am a big fan of “if you can’t use it right, you don’t get to have one” so if the GOP can’t play well in bipartisan land then they don’t get to have a say and the Dems need to just push it through. WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?!
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BLaCk Bruce WaYnE Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 10:48 am
“The Dems are a bunch of pansies. Great ideas, GREAT policy, but damn if they can enact not SH*T ”
WORD!! I think the new logo of the Democrats should be a dog with a tail between it’s legs. I couldn’t believe the sucka a** moves they pulled this year and they got the majority….SMH!
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 11:51 am
I’m sorry but is this Ninja and Nancy couldn’t get it done with a filibuster proof Congress…
What makes you think the rest of this year will go good for him w/ Brown? Or next year, if the Rep wins in November? Every vote and poll I see screams @ me “President Obama go more to the middle.” Now is not the time to take advantage of your shrinking majority.
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BLaCk Bruce WaYnE Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
“Now is not the time to take advantage of your shrinking majority.”
Lmao MY MAJORITY!?!?! You don’t know me fam and my party affliation to be makin that type of comment…lolol…
I’m just agreeing with the fact that the Demos have been clearly suckas…POINT BLANK!
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Sorry.
I meant Barry’s majority. Not yours.
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I think that like you mentioned in the post that Americans are impatient. He did say that he would provide change. But it took us 8 long years to get to where were are and it will take time to remedy that situation. There are the issues that are “immediate” from the past administration and there needs to also be a little wiggle room for when one solution doesn’t work that we learn from it and can come up with another solution that will. President Obama has proven time and time again he will not be moved into swift action without through thought and consideration to the various outcomes. He can not do this by himself, the legislative body needs to support the president that the PEOPLE of this nation elected into office. They need to be held accountable as well.
I was happy that President Obama let it be known that he had not come as far as he would have wanted in this year in office. I believe that people need to have faith in the decision they made last year in electing President Obama. He has done a good job with the mess that he has been handed. I continue to support him and his decisions. Let him do his job and have a little patients and faith people.
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I think people need to cut our President some slack. If you remember anything from Poli Sci 1101 you know that the President can’t do jack unless Congress approves it. Obama is in a unique situation because he has to start completely from scratch. He doesn’t come from a wealthy or influential family–let’s face it, Daddy Bush paid off some of those Democrats to get George W’s bills pushed through!
I honestly believe that Obama’s honesty and integrity are becoming a liability, because he doesn’t want to resort to playing dirty in order to get his way. And to be truthful he has no choice, because he would be impeached with a quickness if the Republicans ever thought he was bribing legislators even though that’s been the name of the game in Washington since forever.
Finally, nobody knew just how effed up the economy was until George W. was leaving office. But whoever is in office when the sh*t hits the fan takes the rap for it- people said that same Socialist crap about FDR, and he ended up getting 3 terms. So I think it’s a little early to be calling the man a failure.
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MeteorMan Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Thank you.
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nyhoop Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
VERY insightful!!!
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Look…. I told you so.
I’m like a Jets Fan. Please dont’ jump on my bandwagon now.
Did we make a mistake electing him: Hell No.
Did he make several mistakes this past year: Yeap.
Is this is worst job a president has ever done: Not even close.
Will he be a one term president: What in the name of a Jesus would make you think that. Bush’s approval rating dipped below 50% DURING an election year. This guy is 32 months away and JUST hit 49%.
Biggest thing he has to do in the next year: (a)Spade Nancy Pelosi and hope Reid loses without losing too many other seats in November.
(b)STOP POINTING TO THE MESS BUSH LEFT! Everyone needs to stop talking about how bad the country was when he took over. HE KNEW THAT WHEN HE TOOK THE JOB! IT WAS THE MAJOR PART OF THE REASON WHY HE WON! You won b/c you took the position that you could fix this problem.
I’ve criticized Barry alot in the past year. More than anybody else. But its not on some “He isn’t a good President tip”. It was on a “this Ninja is effing Up tip”. You can’t call a president a failure after one year. But you can say he had a bad year.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Good perspective Cheekz. That’s what I think he did well last night. Basically said his first year was bunz and that it’s time to move forward. I do think he needs to get to a point where he doesn’t have to reference Bush though.
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N.I.A. naturally Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 11:51 am
I agree with allathis!!
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I support the President of the United States, regardless of party affiliation, until he starts completely effing up everything, lying about everything, and generally being a complete waste of space. Pres. Obama has not become that person, yet.
I have 2 issues… first with the American people. Americans are generally ignorant about the political process, and how the federal government actually works. So, when Candidate Obama said he would do XYZ, people assumed he would be able to do that automatically, without considering the other branches of government. He can’t do anything alone unless he makes an Executive Order.
Second issue… Congress. The Dems and the Repubs have spent this last year in DC wasting time, trying to get re-elected in 2010, instead of doing your best for this country. People are so upset at Obama, but there are Senators and Representatives who have been in office for decades. Decades!!! It’s time we start looking at these people, taking stock of what they have done in Washington, and then act accordingly on election day. Stop bitching about the president, and let’s make sure Dem & Repub obstructionists are not re-elected. Personally, I believe it’s time for these 70 year old white men to get out.
I enjoyed the SOTU, thought he said some good things, and enjoyed him calling out folk. Now, will Congress get on the ball, or will the continue to waste time. And we all should pay special attention to our Senators and Reps. who are up for re-election in November.
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ASmith Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
People are so upset at Obama, but there are Senators and Representatives who have been in office for decades. Decades!!! It’s time we start looking at these people, taking stock of what they have done in Washington, and then act accordingly on election day. Stop bitching about the president, and let’s make sure Dem & Repub obstructionists are not re-elected. Personally, I believe it’s time for these 70 year old white men to get out.
THIS…
That’s all I’m saying. Maybe we should revisit our high school government classes and recall who makes laws around here. The President sets the tone, but as we have seen VERY CLEARLY demonstrated, if the US Legislature can’t get their ducks in a row, it doesn’t MATTER what he said.
That budget he proposed? Congress will decide what makes it into a final budget and what doesn’t.
And he can veto and all that, but Congress can STILL override a veto — so let’s not get it twisted on who has the git ‘er done power in DC.
Folks mad at Obama need to elect people who will DO what they want, not people who sound good because once they get in office, it’s a done deal.
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
So what are you suggesting? We return to him a Congress full of Republicans?
Its a two party system. If this one doesn’t work you for him, the next one won’t help.
And his major problem is with middle ground Democrats who took over in 06. Conservative Democrats. And they are NEW. Not the old 70 year old white men.
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ASmith Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
This post isn’t a suggestion on what will help President Obama further his agenda at all. This post is a suggestion that we not forget who makes laws in the United States and that we place blame appropriately.
I’m suggesting that if you got a problem with the way laws are being passed, you vote for people who will pass the types of laws you like instead of complaining the President isn’t doing enough.
I’m suggesting we quit blaming President Obama to the point that we overlook the very important role of Congress.
… at least in this particular post.
Obvi, dear Cheekz, “you” here is a general one.
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
But I’m saying sweetbunz,
Congress isn’t getting away with it. Their numbers are waay lower than his on approval ratings. But why should Congress care about national numbers, they should care about keeping their district happy.
For instance, I am pissed about this Congress. But I love my congresswoman and I wouldn’t vote for any Democrat or Republican that ran against her. And everyone feels the same way about their guy. I can’t change your Representative. And unless I vote against my congresswoman I can’t change the speaker of the house. But I can changes the President, that is why its his cross to carry.
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ASmith Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
” And everyone feels the same way about their guy.”
Careful, careful… MA, arguably one of the most liberal states, just sent a Republican after having a Democrat in the same seat for 60+ years. Somebody’s unhappy with their representative(s). Plus, how do you feel about your Senators?
Overall you have a valid point, though and I get it.
Even still, blaming The President for (enter legislation) not passing is like blaming me because my sister is stupid. I mean, yeah I could tutor her but is it REALLY my fault or is it her school’s fault, or my parent’s fault?
He doesn’t vote on this stuff. He doesn’t even really write it so why do we blame him?
Having said that, he’s not blameless. He’s a leader and right now his party’s in power so he sets the tone. He hasn’t done a good job of setting that tone clearly and succinctly and helping them achieve the goal (obviously, he thought he was dealing with adults when he’s really dealing with children).
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
I smell you
I WAS happy with my senators. I’m from NY, I had Hillary and Chuckie the Jew.
Than I didn’t get a chance to pick my other Senator when Hillary left. So I feel I can only complain so much about her. She is more Gov Patterson’s Senator than mine.
And the people of Mass made that pick b/c Ted Kennedy is dead. They rejected the party of the old Representative, they didn’t reject Teddy.
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The Award Winning RightCoastLexSteele, Yo Tengo Superior Genetic Makeup Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
He prefers Charles.
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i also made the “he hasn’t had enough time” arguments in the beginning because people were definitely jumping on him much too early. now, that time argument is moot. he has had enough time and power in congress to get some things done. he wasted that time and power trying to play with republicans. yes, he did campaign on a promise to be bipartisan, but when republicans immediately and continually pledge to not worth with you and hope that you fail, you need to reevaluate your strategy. you make the gesture and when republicans rebuff you (as they will for the simple reason that you are you. these are irrational people with the sole purpose of making you look bad so they regain office. why waste time trying to reason with unreasonable people?), you abandon attempts. you come to the people and say that you have tried but most move forward with what is best for the country and then you move motherfucking forward. this ish is ridiculous. obama is not looking like a strong leader and whether people would like to accept it or not, a strong, decisive, thoughtful leader is what the president needs to present to the country. obama is presenting a naive, easily-influenced leader- that is not sexy.
now i do agree that people elected him with golden boy dreams and he clearly stated multiple times that he would need our cotinuing support in office to make changes. we knew this translated into keeping on our sentators and reps to do what we needed and support obama’s initiatives. did citizens really do that? probably not. but obama also didn’t and isn’t doing a good job of rallying troops. he needs to get the fucking democratic party in line. he is the leader of the country and the leader of his fucking party- GET THEM IN LINE. he isn’t doing a good job of rallying citizens. appeal directly to citizens (not with platitudes) to step the fuck up and get their sentators in line. however crazy republicans are, they are skilled at rallying and making noise even if it’s a minority/small group. he has that same resource in the young folks who polled for him and made noise for him during the campaign- rally us, obama. do something. geez! I’M FUCKING PISSED!
sidenote- he owes us a public option. on the campaign trail, he spoke about insurance difficulties his mother faced when ill. this healthcare bill doesn’t address any of the issues his mother faced. fuck that. he needs to step it the fuck up. the time for being polite is the fuck over. he needs to govern. pls and thank you!
p.s.- calling him out on what he could have done, but DIDN’T is not negating what he has done or being unrealistic in expectations. he had opportunities to make moves and his strategy was bullshit. he needs to a new strategy.
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MeteorMan Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
do something. geez!
Why you trying to John Q my prez?
sidenote- he owes us a public option. on the campaign trail, he spoke about insurance difficulties his mother faced when ill. this healthcare bill doesn’t address any of the issues his mother faced. fuck that. he needs to step it the fuck up. the time for being polite is the fuck over. he needs to govern. pls and thank you!
Have you read the healthcare bill? Want me to point you to a section that addresses those “insurance concerns?” Did YOU call YOUR senator?!?! If your senator happens to say, he’s not supporting public option, don’t you think he would make that stance based on what he thinks the people who he represents want? Given that logic, did YOU call his office, left your name and number and a message saying what features of any bill you want to be supported? Did you have your family and friends do the same? Didn’t Obama say we ALL had to do our parts? What did YOU do? I bet you didn’t rally your neighborhood and educate people on the bill and how to make your opinion known. Your duty and position in contributing to the passing of law isn’t done once you vote… :-/
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SassyNoLA Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
so you didn’t bother reading what i wrote but took the time to type out that emoticon- awesome.
actually my friends and i did call and express our support for the original healthcare bill propose; not the watered down piece of shit we have now (and we also expressed our CONCERN with the deal cut w/ health insurance companies. it wasn’t practical- it was selling out an essential element of healthcare reform). if you can’t clearly see the difference between the two bills, this conversation is moot. you clearly missed the part of my post where i addressed the need for people to do exactly that; my point is that obama didn’t contribute or influence our action. we were harassing sentators and reps with calls and letters before obama. however, we are all in DC, working in non-profits, research, and public policy so we are not representative of the population. and we certainly didn’t do it because obama made a direct or stirring call to action. asshole. what did YOU do?
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MeteorMan Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
First educated myself on the bill. Secondly called my Senators and Congressman and first asked to find their position, then requested them to support whichever position I stood for. Then talked to friends and family to clear up any misconceptions there may have been about the bills (there were A LOT). Then called again… And again… My friends and I are in TN. My family is in Ga. So mentioning Obama’s Health care reform always yielded nothing strong emotions UNTIL there was a clear understanding of what actually is written opposed to what TV tells people. Some in school, some in non-profit, a few in research, a few working for insurance companies. People have to know what they’re disagreeing with.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
You may be more frustrated than he was last night.lol. I see where you’re coming from though. He definitely needs to take a more direct approach, and hopefully last night’s approach was the start of that.
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SassyNoLA Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
lmao. i AM frustrated. i’m frustrated with those that expected immediate change and i’m frustrated with those that don’t expect ANY change. he has had enough time to do more than he did. he has not done enough and he has not been effective enough. he needs a new strategy. and those reducing the discussion to “you didn’t read the bills” are ri-dam-diculous. people did in fact read the bills and THIS is what they’re having a problem with. they’re pissed about changes in the healthcare bill and not moving on other bills (e.g. greenhouse gas emissions). blind critiques and blind praise do the same amount of damage to me.
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Siding with the GOP is the best move. Thats how Clinon got a second term. They thugged him into a lot of GOPesque reform that worked!
This speech was the best speech to give during this current climate of our country. Im ready for action though
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BLaCk Bruce WaYnE Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Good point…there are times you can’t always rock with your party…
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i wish people would give him a break. he’s not the second coming of Jesus Christ. he’s human. i don’t know why people expected him to fix the country in 3 months. the country was effed in a variety of ways before he took office. what he proposed in his campaign takes time. if he is a one term president we’ll see how well the next person does it. smh.
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CHeeKZ Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Actually…
I would want to be the next president. The spotlight will be off and you would be four years removed from W and the Recession, plus alot of Supreme Court Seats could be up for grabs.
Careful what you wish for.
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Honestly, really…
How many of you bugged the hell out your congressman or senator? How many of you actively CALLED the people involved with the law making process? Or are you just looking at your checks and stock market, and watching the pundits and make your judgment on what you THINK is happening? How many of you ACTUALLY READ the proposals thus taking advantage of our government’s transparency? How many of you wrote his office an email?
Most of you are just frustrated and choosing to use him as a scapegoat.
Obama SAID it was be HARD. We know it will be HARD. He said that he’s not trying to do the popular thing. He’s doing what’s necessary. Even he admitted that he’s not going for “good politics.” Homie is taking care of business. He is laying the ground work, elbow deep in problems and trying to make solutions work. So why do people feel the need to place blame? How do any of you expect to change to magically happen just because you woke up one morning? Has been putting in work since BEFORE office. He alone is NOT the government but I guess since he’s an icon, people get frustrated and want to say that’s he’s not doing his job.
I think he’s doing the best he can, which happens to be the best ANY president in his position could do. You people are talking like he’s just be playing basketball for the entire year and haven’t be doing anything. Most are upset that after one year, everything isn’t like before Bush took office. When did you ever think in 1 year it will solve all the problems created by an entire decade? Such expectations are unfair and shows lack of understanding of how our government works. True enough sometimes it doesn’t work, but if we all remember our high school civics class, there are 3 branches or government. Checks and balances… So expecting there to suddenly be peace and harmony in the government and everyone in the White House and in other branches to suddenly start thinking like you (you being any random person) is ridiculous.
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ASmith Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Co-sign.
And I’m gonna co-sign my co-sign.
Thanks.
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SassyNoLA Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
this argument is ridiculous. he was in a position to make moves. he didn’t get his party in lock-and-step immediately as he should have. we controlled congress. he faltered and wasted time with bipartisan politics that DON’T WORK WITH A PARTY UNWILLING TO EVEN CONSIDER WORKING WITH YOU. if republicans were actually interested in cooperating, they could have proposed the following 2 conservative options that would have still be in the spirit of free market AND reform for citizens: 1) allow interstate insurance competition 2) allow canadian prescription drugs into our vastly overpriced market.they did not because they are NOT interested. instead of asking his party not to ramrod ish through, but to work with republicans as he recently did, he should have instructed his party to ramrod through the BEST bill. not further water down this already watered down bill.
no one is expecting him to fix in the country what it took 8 years to fuck up. <– this ish is so trite at this point. but people do expect him to do what he CAN do with a democratic-controlled house and senate.
he is not in control of his party. he is no longer in control of his image. he is no longer controlling the national conversation. this is about strategy and his is not a good one. point blank. plain and simple. he owes a better strategy to those of us who actually DID call our senators when obama won and told them to step in fucking line and report to the chief. obama is not acting like a chief in public, and from what we can see, not behind closed doors either. instead of wasting time acting like we're above conservative tactics (which are highly successful), we should adapt/adopt those tactics that are necessary to GET THE JOB DONE.
this whole checks and balances is ridiculous, too. bush was able to do what he did because he controlled congress. there was no harmony in his government EITHER! however, the republican party stayed in lock-and-step because there would be consequences for getting out of line. they kept democrats in their place because whenever they would threaten to filibuster, republicans would remind them that they had control of congress and would just write legislation to do away with filibustering. these strategies were effective. to be naive enough to think that obama can walk into the white house without employing strategy, party loyalty, and controlling his folks is RI-DAM-DICULOUS. no one is saying that obama spent the year play basketball. we're saying that he spent the year play nice, and the time for nice is over. get moving!
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ASmith Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
What Bush had that Obama did not is not, as you point out, a cohesive government, but rather a ride or die party.
The GOP, for better or worse, thinks with one brain. What Bush said was THE plan.
The Democrats like that they are all independent thinkers and while it makes for great policy it results in a lot of disjointed efforts.
Bush got his way because the Republicans put on blinders and went full steam ahead on his priorities. The Democrats wanna talk and ask questions and be perfect and that has it’s place, but not against a party that is ALL about a united front and a united effort; they lose every time.
There is NO DAMN REASON for a Senator from Nebraska (Nelson) to hold out on his vote so that the rest of the country could pay for his state’s costs. That’s some bullshit. There is NO DAMN REASON for a Senator to hold out his vote because he wants some random ass language about prohibiting government funds for abortions. No Republican would’ve done that and if they had, betcha they would’ve been put in check quick fast.
Aside from spending his time in the Capitol hand holding these idiots and being perfectly sure he was perfectly clear on what was supposed to happen with this bill, which perhaps he really should’ve done, I’m not sure what else President Obama was supposed to do.
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Slim Jackson Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
This thread is pretty damn interesting. Just wanted to throw that in there!
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MeteorMan Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
So you propose the “solution” of this is for Obama to have the Dems deliver things in the package the Repubs did during the Bush Administration? You can’t be for real… Are you really saying that it’s a bad thing to push for cooperation just because its hard? If I was gathering people to wash my car, then I would agree with you. But we’re talking about representatives of states that have a mixture for people for and against each version of any bill. And with any bill, it’s best for there to be decent discussion over the features the differ from the values of the representative as well as the multitude of people they represent. Honestly, everyone who is pro choice would love for one side to bulldoze the other in order to just get it done. The same is for the pro-life side. And here you are saying that one side should just take whatever you think is decent and run with it… I’m not so conceded to think the way I perceive things are absolute to ignore concerns or even the misconceptions of the problem from the other side. Regardless of what YOU think is the best thing, every body else’s input still counts. Opinions I think are foolishness comes from something and should be addressed appropriately. You have to get to the crux… This is not a football game one side should try to bulldoze the other to get to the goal. He denounced that same mentally because it prevents government from serving its people and causing reactions like yours. I personally think public option is the way to go, but not everyone else in America feels that way. So why ignore their concerns? Even if people who agree with me are the majority, why should I totally ignore their side, regardless of how twisted I think it is? Otherwise, you can always push for a dictatorship.
I agree that Obama can’t be timid, but that doesn’t mean he has to be bullheaded either. I’ve noticed changes where I live as a direct result of his hard work. Since before he got into he has been grinding. It’s easy to call plays from your couch…
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SassyNoLA Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
i never suggested the dems should deliver republicans proposals in the package or anything else you suggest i said in your post. i suggested obama should take a lesson from them on strategy. those are very different things. also, opinion polls show that MOST of the country does want a public option. democracy is all about plurality so if we’re now going to get into some bs about making sure everybody at the table is happy, that is absurd. there were also conservative options (like those mentioned in my previous post) that would have addressed the concerns of the MINORITY who did not want a public option. the fact is that republicans didn’t propose those alternatives because they are NOT interested in working with obama and they are NOT representing what their constituencies at large want as evidenced by opinion polls. like i said before, obama has not done a good job of controlling the conversation or message the bill (i.e. healthcare). your suggestion that he keep on with what he’s doing accomplishes absolutely nothing. to keep on doing what he’s doing means to continue trying to work with a party that has been absolutely vocal and absolutely upfront about their intentions to not work with him on anything to the detriment of citizens and his party is again absurd. i directly said that he needs to rally both his troops: citizens by controlling his message and the conversation and his party by getting them in line. the party is scattering because they, as all politicians, are worried about getting reelected. in order to do that, obama needs to rally citizens by HELLO controlling the message and conversation, thereby controlling his party. your suggestion is that he do neither of those two things? that he continue to allow republicans to control and shape the public image of the healthcare bill (even though citizens actually WANT the public option) because people need to read the bill? WTF! we know that people don’t read legislation which is why they spend the big bucks on advertising and grassroots campaigns (college repubs are highly organized and great about those). where is the grassroots effort to educate people about what’s really going on? to just sick back and demand that obama continue working with people who have stated that their intention and goal is to make obama’ presidency a failure and citizens read the bills completely ignores reality. so we know that our education system is among the worst in the world but we want our citizens to read and understand thousand of pages of political jargon? REALLY?! it is the democrats job to educate the people about legislation and get the word out. local offices should be organizing grassroots campaign. historically, we KNOW that people don’t read legislation. but in the current educational and economic climate, to expect that is ABSURD and besides the point.
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MeteorMan Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Reality… We know that he has been timid. But I don’t think that simply relying on party loyal won’t get us anywhere. Reality have shown us there there are people from both sides either changing parties or trying to withhold their votes. I’m not suggesting that he should ignore leading his party, I’m saying in addition to doing that he must still attempt to reach across the aisle otherwise it becomes an dem vs. gop kinda thing and that has what held up health care reform bills in previous administrations. That combative drive to usurp the other party’s bills just because is the root of the mistrust and frustration with the government you seem to expressing today. Ground breaking legislation is held back when both parties start/continue to focus on trading blows rather than working together to pass legislation. That is reality. Not saying everyone should hold hands, but just because it’s hard to get through, doesn’t mean he should give up. Damn… Why are you saying he should give up on trying to actually try to instill the ideas of having a cohesive government? Are you reading what you’re typing? He’s not just the leader one party, he’s the president so he want everyone to get it right. I know you listened to his speech, so I know you noticed the points he was driving home in terms of cohesiveness and efficiency of government.
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SassyNoLA Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
i usually like extremes, but in conversations like this, they do no good so let’s abandon them. these extreme ass interpretations of what i’m saying are bizarre. i have never suggested he completely give up on reaching across the aisle. i actually directly stated that he should in fact reach across the aisle; HOWEVER, when he is backhanded by those across the aisle, he needs to snatch that hand back and keep moving forward with the agenda. instead of trying to appeal to people who would gain absolutely NOTHING from working with him or having his agenda be successful, he should appeal directly to the people through a controlled message and conversation with the country and through grassroots campaign. THOSE are the people he needs to reach instead of wasting time reaching out to people that DO NOT want to work with him. do not hold up initiatives for silly ish because you are hurting ME and gaining NOTHING. he is NOT making traction with republicans through these continued efforts. NEW STRATEGY is needed.
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“How many of you bugged the hell out your congressman or senator? How many of you actively CALLED the people involved with the law making process? Or are you just looking at your checks and stock market, and watching the pundits and make your judgment on what you THINK is happening? How many of you ACTUALLY READ the proposals thus taking advantage of our government’s transparency? How many of you wrote his office an email?”
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That right there needs to be added to a book of the Bible. A majority of the problem with the government that is for the people and by the people is that the PEOPLE are inactive and apathetic about government until it hits them where it hurts. So don’t be mad when people that choose to get involved take advantage of those that choose not to be involved. And that’s on all levels. Cuz if you’re taking it up the ass from you city council or county legislature, that aint Obama’s fault. It’s not the media’s job to hold your public officials accountable, that’s on YOU. I’d say us, but I’m kind of a public official…………so y’all need to get on ya job. Oh yea….keep paying those taxes….THANK YOU!
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